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    Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Mae gofal cymdeithasol yn helpu plant a theuluoedd trwy gyfnodau anodd, yn galluogi pobl anabl i fyw'n annibynnol, yn cefnogi pobl hŷn i aros yn y lle maen nhw'n ei alw'n gartref, ac yn helpu gofalwyr di-dâl i allu parhau i roi'r gofal amhrisiadwy maen nhw'n ei ddarparu bob dydd. Mae gofal cymdeithasol yn hanfodol i lesiant ein cenedl. Ond dyw gofal cymdeithasol, a'r bobl ymroddedig sy'n gweithio yn y sector, ddim bob amser wedi cael y gydnabyddiaeth maen nhw'n ei haeddu.

    Official English translation

    Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. Social care helps children and families through difficult times, enables disabled people to live independently, supports older people to remain in the place they call home, and helps unpaid carers sustain the invaluable care they provide every day. Social care is fundamental to the well-being of our nation. Yet social care, and the dedicated people who work within it, have not always received the recognition they deserve.

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    Social care is too often treated as a hidden service, appreciated only by people whose families or lives have reached a point of crisis. Only then do people come to realise the value of care work—work that keeps our society afloat, the hours dedicated by carers, both paid and unpaid, that make people’s lives better, allowing them to live full and fulfilled lives. It isn’t always easy to capture in graphs or spreadsheets, but millions of actions every day make miracles of the daily lives of people living around us. Too often, it isn’t noticed. That has to change. I'm determined that it will change. I'm pleased today to set out the next stage of our journey towards a national care service for Wales—a stronger, fairer and more consistent system of care and support, built around people and their lives. It's vital that we do this, because demand for adult social care continues to increase at unprecedented levels, with more people seeking support and with needs becoming increasingly complicated. In July this year, local authorities recorded 20,149 social care contacts: the highest number of contacts on record, representing a 23 per cent increase on the number of contacts reported in July last year, a 67 per cent increase on the number of contacts in July of the year before that. Yet, despite these challenges, local authorities and partners across Wales continue to support growing numbers of people. The dedication of our social care workforce is clear to us all. But this also shows why sustained change is needed if we are to meet future demand. The national care service programme is about strengthening social care, reducing unacceptable variation, supporting our workforce and improving outcomes and experiences for people and communities across Wales. Above all, it's about creating a system that works around people, rather than expecting people to work around the system.

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    Ddirprwy Lywydd, gall y Llywodraeth ddim gwneud hyn ar ei phen ei hun. Heddiw, rŷn ni'n cyhoeddi camau sy'n esbonio ein huchelgais, y camau rŷn ni'n bwriadu eu cymryd yn ystod tymor y Senedd hon a beth gall hyn ei olygu i bobl. Mae hyn yn nodi dechrau sgwrs genedlaethol ehangach am ddyfodol gofal cymdeithasol yng Nghymru, nid ymarfer ymgynghori unigol. Rŷn ni am i'r sgwrs honno fod yn agored, yn gynhwysol a chael ei llywio gan ystod eang o leisiau, gan gynnwys pobl â phrofiad bywyd, gofalwyr di-dâl, y gweithlu, partneriaid ar draws iechyd a llywodraeth leol, darparwyr a chynrychiolwyr gwleidyddol o bob rhan o'r Senedd. Trwy gynnal y trafodaethau hynny, dŷn ni'n gobeithio meithrin gwell dealltwriaeth o'r heriau sy'n wynebu gofal cymdeithasol a nodi meysydd lle y gallai fod uchelgais gyffredin ar gyfer dyfodol gofal a chymorth yng Nghymru. Dylai pobl allu disgwyl cymorth o ansawdd uchel ble bynnag maen nhw'n byw yng Nghymru, tra bod gwasanaethau'n parhau i gael eu darparu'n lleol, wrth gwrs, ac yn cael eu siapio gan eu cymunedau. Mae sefydlu'r swyddfa genedlaethol gofal a chymorth o dan arweiniad y prif swyddog gofal cymdeithasol wedi rhoi llwyfan cryfach o ran arweinyddiaeth genedlaethol, gwella a chydweithio.

    Official English translation

    Dirprwy Lywydd, the Government cannot deliver this alone. Today, we are publishing information explaining our ambition, the actions we intend to take during this Senedd term and what they could mean for people. This marks the beginning of a wider national conversation about the future of social care in Wales, not a single consultation exercise. We want that conversation to be open, inclusive and informed by a broad range of voices, including people with lived experience, unpaid carers, the workforce, partners across health and local government, providers and political representatives from all parts of the Senedd. Through having these discussions, we hope to build greater understanding of the challenges facing social care and to identify areas where there may be shared ambition for the future of care and support in Wales. People should be able to expect high-quality support wherever they live in Wales, while services remain locally delivered, of course, and shaped by their communities. The establishment of the national office for care and support, under the leadership of the chief social care officer, has created a stronger platform for national leadership, improvement and collaboration.

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    Our programme is built around six key foundations. First, we will implement clear national leadership, accountability and safeguarding. We will work with partners across Wales to improve consistency, strengthen accountability and take forward our ambitions for a national conversation on shaping our social care services.  Secondly, I turn to fair funding and reliable care. We will strengthen commissioning, improve market oversight and build the evidence needed to inform future funding policy decisions. We will work towards fairer and more consistent arrangements across Wales, helping to improve affordability and access to care and support. This will help create greater consistency, transparency and confidence in how care and support are planned, commissioned and delivered. Thirdly, Dirprwy Lywydd, is a valued and sustainable workforce. Social care workers support thousands of people every day through their commitment, their professionalism, their compassion. Care is not always something easily caught in traditional metrics or measures, because it surpasses them all. The work of care workers is what gives people's lives meaning. They bring companionship, solace and, yes, joy, to thousands upon thousands of people. They deserve more than thanks. They deserve their work to be recognised in how they're paid, the career progression and development that's available to them, and in how they're esteemed by society. This Government is committed to strengthening recruitment and retention for social care, maintaining the real living wage as the minimum rate paid to the workforce and progressing our ambitions for fairer pay. We will also develop a national social care academy to help people enter the profession, develop their skills and progress their careers. Now, Wales is ahead of our neighbours in this work. It is something we should take pride in.

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    Mae dadansoddiad yn dangos bod pob £1 sy'n cael ei fuddsoddi mewn gofal cymdeithasol i oedolion yng Nghymru yn cynhyrchu tua £2.78 mewn gwerth cymdeithasol ac economaidd.  Yn bedwerydd, Ddirprwy Lywydd, byddwn ni'n cryfhau data, technoleg ddigidol a chanlyniadau. Mae penderfyniadau da yn dibynnu ar wybodaeth sy'n dda. Os ydym am wella gwasanaethau, adnabod pwysau yn gynnar a chynllunio'n effeithiol ar gyfer y dyfodol, mae angen dealltwriaeth gryfach o brofiadau pobl a'r heriau sy'n wynebu'r system. Byddwn ni'n sefydlu hwb gwybodaeth gofal cymdeithasol o fewn y swyddfa genedlaethol, yn gwella ansawdd a chysondeb data gofal ac yn cryfhau adroddiadau cenedlaethol a goruchwyliaeth o'r farchnad. Bydd gwell deallusrwydd yn ein helpu i adnabod risg yn gynharach, targedu gweithgarwch gwella yn fwy effeithiol a darparu mwy o dryloywder ynghylch lle mae'r system yn gweithio'n dda a lle mae angen gweithredu pellach. Ochr yn ochr â hyn, byddwn ni'n parhau i gefnogi'r defnydd o ddatrysiadau digidol a thechnolegol sy'n helpu i wella canlyniadau i bobl, cefnogi'r gweithlu a galluogi darparu gofal a chymorth yn fwy effeithiol. Yn bumed, byddwn ni'n rhoi pwyslais o'r newydd ar atal, diogelu a chymunedau cryfach. Byddwn ni'n datblygu dull cenedlaethol cryfach ar gyfer atal ac ymyrryd yn gynnar, yn bwrw ymlaen â'r strategaeth 10 mlynedd ar gyfer atal ac ymateb i gam-drin plant yn rhywiol ac yn cyhoeddi strategaeth genedlaethol newydd ar gyfer gofalwyr di-dâl. Rhaid i hynny wneud gwahaniaeth ymarferol trwy sicrhau cefnogaeth gynharach, gwell cydnabyddiaeth ar gyfer gofalwyr di-dâl a gwasanaethau cymunedol cryfach sy'n helpu pobl i gynnal eu hannibyniaeth a'u llesiant. Ac yn olaf, mae gofal cymdeithasol a chymorth di-dor.

    Official English translation

    Analysis indicates that every £1 invested in adult social care in Wales generates approximately £2.78 in social and economic value. Fourth, Dirprwy Lywydd, we will strengthen data, digital technology and outcomes. Good decisions depend on good information. If we are to improve services, identify pressures early and plan effectively for the future, we need a stronger understanding of people's experiences and the challenges facing the system. We will establish a social care intelligence hub within the national office, improve the quality and consistency of social care data and strengthen national reporting and market oversight. Better intelligence will help us identify risk earlier, target improvement activity more effectively and provide greater transparency about where the system is working well and where further action is needed. Alongside this, we will continue supporting the use of digital and technological solutions that help improve outcomes for people, support the workforce and enable more effective delivery of care and support. Fifth, we will place renewed emphasis on prevention, safeguarding and stronger communities. We will develop a stronger national approach to early intervention, take forward our 10-year strategy for preventing and responding to child sexual abuse and publish a new national strategy for unpaid carers. All of this must make a practical difference through earlier support, better recognition of unpaid carers and stronger community-based services that help people maintain their independence and their well-being. And finally, there's seamless social care and support.

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    People don't experience their lives in silos through separate organisations, budgets or professional boundaries. They should not have to navigate those boundaries to receive the right support. We will take forward the Ynghyd 2030 programme for children and families, strengthening pathways of care and continuing to improve integration between health and social care through our integrated community care system. We'll also encourage innovative models of care that support communities and improve people’s experiences of care and support. Dirprwy Lywydd, over this Senedd term, we intend to make substantial progress across the programme. This will include taking forward Stronger Safeguarding for a Safer Wales, developing the national social care academy, strengthening commissioning and regional collaboration, improving intelligence and market oversight, enhancing support for unpaid carers, progressing fair pay ambitions and developing the evidence needed to inform future decisions. This programme will not complete our journey towards a national care service, but it sets out practical steps we can take now and provides the foundations and the evidence needed to continue that journey with confidence. Ultimately, its success will not be measured by the structures we create or the documents we publish. It will be measured by whether people can access the right support at the right time, whether unpaid carers feel recognised and supported, whether our workforce feels valued and whether people can live independently, safely and with dignity for longer. That is our ambition: a people-centred national care service, shaped by Welsh values and built with the people and communities it exists to serve.

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    Diolch, James. I appreciate what you said at the start, that you haven't perhaps supported the idea of a national care service, but what I would hope, and I think lots of us would hope about a national care service, is that this is building towards—. I mean, I'm not pretending for a moment that this represents this in its entirely, but that a national care service would be greater than the sum of its individual parts. And the individual parts here—. I would hope, from what you've said, there would be support for some of those, regardless of how they're packaged, the individual elements—

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    You asked about the workforce, certainly, and I certainly agree with you that the real living wage must be the minimum that we should be paying. I think it's 84 per cent—well, the most recent figures, which obviously aren't completely up to date, suggest that 84 per cent of the workforce currently is being paid the real living wage. Obviously, there's more still to do. I think it's 60,000 social care workers, including personal assistants, that are scoped to receive the real living wage. We want to go beyond that, so we are progressing fair pay agreements for the workforce, and we've worked really closely with the UK Government to ensure that provisions in the Employment Rights Act 2025 were extended to Wales for that. And you had mentioned that we need to make sure that social care workers are not at a disadvantage compared with their counterparts in the NHS, and I think that's something that certainly we would be looking to address through those bodies, because, often, social care workers are competing with sectors like retail and hospitality in terms of the pay that they currently get, and those professions would be far less intensive in terms of the roles, and so we need to be making sure that we are truly valuing this vital work. You mentioned as well the need to make sure that rural areas are—. Basically, that there isn't a postcode lottery, which is, obviously, something that we would all agree with. In terms of some of the elements of what I've announced today that would help to address that concern, which I think is a really worthy concern, well, for example, the social care intelligence hub, that's going to help strengthen planning and to identify risks and pressures in different parts of Wales to see, 'Okay, so what needs to be addressed here in terms of strengthening commissioning as well?', again to spot different patterns to make sure that there is more of a truly national envelope of support that is available, because, at the moment, too many people are at the mercy of just individual decisions, which will vary hugely in different parts of the country, and we want to streamline as far as possible. I've said this before: anyone designing the social care system from scratch would not design it as we have it at the moment, but, obviously, we need to work with partners in local government, work with partners in the Association of Directors of Social Services. Everyone wants to work together to see what we can do to make this better. You asked about unpaid carers as well, and, yes, certainly, we owe them far more than just words. We owe them a better life, because they do save government and they save society billions of pounds. We are going to be publishing the new national strategy for unpaid carers in November, which is going to be setting out a number of areas, including tying in our response to the previous Senedd's Health and Social Care Committee's report. That's going to be looking at improving carers' assessments, access to respite, support for carers to stay in paid employment, and there'll be a particular focus on young carers as well. The day centre services—it's something I've been really concerned about in the past as well. And I know, obviously, that this is a decision for individual local authorities. It is something I'm very interested in, and I've certainly heard testimony from a number of people about the effect that that can have on their lives. You asked about prevention and the ways in which my colleague the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care and I would be working with the Cabinet Minister for local government. There are a number of grants, like the regional integration fund and other grants, that look at how we can invest in a greater way in prevention, and it's something that we are really keen to take forward. And finally—oh, no, penultimately—on the academy, there will, certainly, and I'll be able to publish more information on this shortly, I hope, in terms of the elements of this that are going to be coming—I don't like the phrase 'coming online'—that are going to be becoming delivered then, as this progresses. It is something really exciting though, and it's something where we are leading the way. There are already lots of local academies across Wales, so lots of this already exists; we just want to bring it together into a national system, delivered locally. And finally, yes, I am very happy to commit to regular updates on this. Diolch.

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    Diolch, Jayne. And before I start, I realised there was one thing I didn't answer James on, which was the funding. I can confirm that it's £3.6 million on top of the package of existing funding streams that is involved in this. Diolch, Jayne, for your comments and your questions. And as you said at the start, this isn't about structures alone, is it? It's about people being able to live their most fulfilled lives possible—people being able to live as independently as they can for as long as possible. It is about making people's lives better. And I am really glad and grateful for your signal of support for the general vision here. And, again, I know that there will be individual areas where Members from across the Senedd of all parties will want to be interrogating, and that's you doing your jobs. I want you to be doing this; I want you to be pushing us to be more ambitious and seeing what things are working well and what we need to be improving. But where we can have unity of support for that overarching vision, whether it is the package or the individual elements within it, then I think that that is something, actually, really valuable. I know that unpaid carers are a particular concern and passion for you and I'm really looking forward to being able to publish more of that detail in the strategy in November. And as I've said already, the Welsh Government has invested £13 million to help ensure carers receive the support they need in 2026-27, funding the short breaks scheme, carers support fund; an extra £7.35 million—sorry—that was included through the regional integration fund. There are lots of, as I say, individual ways in which the Government continues to support these vitally important people in our society, but we need to go further, of course. I do welcome, as you have welcomed, Prime Minister Andy Burnham's focus on this. And yes, Wales has been ahead, but it doesn't matter who announced things first. The fact is that there is a moment here for us to be able to work together, and I really hope that that will be taken up. I've written to Yvette Cooper, the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, to seek a bilateral ministerial discussion on social care reform, because I think we need to maximise this moment and the opportunities. And I know that a number of Members in this Chamber have already been involved in a cross-party discussion on the future of social care in Wales, and I again extend that invitation to representatives from all parties for those discussions to continue. In terms of the maximum charges, as you set out, for care and support, Wales, again, is ahead of England here, but that isn't enough. We shouldn't rest on our laurels, of course. We need to be making sure—. Because every time I answer a letter saying, 'Oh, well, actually, this is the situation at the moment, and we're in a more advantageous position', it doesn't make it easier, though, does it, for the families who are having to lose so much money in order to give care to the people that they love. And finally, in terms of the demographic picture that we have in Wales, in terms of the fact that people are living longer, that people are living, as you said, with more complex health and care needs, more families are balancing work, family life, caring responsibilities—we need to modernise the system. This isn't something that is going to go away. It's only going to get more serious and more needed. And you had asked me about how we can improve integration and make sure that the integration between health and care is working well. So, our pathways of care delay data is being used to understand the system-wide discharge challenges, the capacity constraints, variations in performance across Wales. I know that, in 2025-26, £30 million has been invested through the pathways of care transformation grant to support those improvements. We want to drive that further, and I really hope that there'll be cross-party support for that work.

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    Diolch, Natasha. I'm sorry that you think that it's weak. We're talking about stuff here that we can't afford not to do. This is about making people's lives better. It's about making sure that people can have a better quality of life. What on earth are we here for if not to do something like this? But I'll move on to the questions that you have asked. I'll talk you through some of the ways in which the package that I have announced today is going to be making real differences to people's lives. In terms of the social care academy, that will help recruitment. It will help with the retention of care workers. And it will help to build esteem for that workforce, because one of the things—and it's come up already a few times today—one of the things that is maddening is that during the COVID pandemic, everyone had this moment of appreciating care workers. And we all went out into the streets, we applauded them. And somehow in our collective psyche as society, people have allowed themselves to forget that importance. These are the people who keep our society going. So, that academy is going to be, yes, about giving that career progression, but it's also going to be about giving that greater gravitas and esteem to the profession too. And again, I'm looking forward to being able to announce further detail on that. But that is something that I hope we would have cross-party support on. And I know that there's a lot of interest from our neighbouring countries about how the local academies are already working and how we're going to be bringing that through to a national picture. On the social care intelligence hub, that's going to, again, help strengthen planning, help to identify risks and pressures. The work of the pathways of care intelligence, that's going to improve discharge processes from hospital to address capacity constraints. The work on unpaid carers is going to improve how early people are identified as unpaid carers, how well they're assessed in terms of the support that they're going to get. Each of these actions is going to make a material improvement in people's lives. Every single one of these things will make a difference. In terms of assessing what we're doing and finding better ways of how things could work, all of this work is fundamental, because otherwise we will be trying to build a castle on sand—and not just sand, but quicksand, because it is moving under our feet all the time. We have to make sure that the foundations dig deep into the ground. That's why this planning work is so vitally important. But you asked some other questions too. On dementia, I won't repeat what I've already said in terms of the pathways of care. You did ask about future funding, which is a fair question, certainly. We're going to be carrying out detailed modelling work to understand how the changes to care charging could affect people in the future, and that's going to be assessing the financial, distributional, operational impacts of different charging and funding options. Where more sophisticated analysis will be required, we're going to be commissioning that through specialist external expertise. And so, from April 2027, a dedicated social care intelligence hub is going to be strengthening that modelling, that analytical capacity.  A number of the other questions that you had asked in terms of the workforce, in terms of how we're going to be making sure that that capacity is driven up, the social care academy is going to be doing an awful lot of that work. I hope very much that I and other Members will be able to convince you of the really important need for this work. But I thank you for your questions.

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    Diolch i chi, Elfed. Mae'n flin gen i fy mod i'n gorfod cael fy nghefn tuag atoch chi wrth ymateb. Dwi'n cytuno y dylem ni sicrhau bod y system yn un llawer mwy deniadol ar gyfer cael mwy o bobl i mewn i'r gweithlu, a dwi'n cytuno hefyd y bydd angen i'r holl leisiau rŷch chi newydd fod yn sôn amdanyn nhw i gael eu clywed yn rhan o'r foment yma, achos mae yna gyfle. Ac eto, dwi'n gobeithio y bydd y cyfuniad o'r gwaith rŷn ni wedi'i wneud yn barod yng Nghymru, y gwaith rŷn ni'n parhau i'w wneud, a'r momentwm sydd yn cael ei hybu oherwydd beth sy'n digwydd ar lefel San Steffan—. Oes, mae lot o ohirio, ond dal, dylem ni gymryd mantais o'r foment yma, a dwi'n gobeithio bydd y ddau beth yn gallu plethu mewn ffordd fydd yn dda ar gyfer pawb, a buaswn i'n croesawu'r drafodaeth gyda chi fel cadeirydd y grŵp trawsbleidiol, yn sicr. Felly, diolch i chi, a diolch am eich gwaith yn y maes.

    Official English translation

    Thank you, Elfed. I apologise that I'll have my back to you as I respond. I agree that we should ensure that the system is far more attractive in order to attract people into the workforce, and I agree that all of the voices that you've just mentioned need to be heard at this very moment, because there is an opportunity. And again, I hope that the combination of the work that we have done already in Wales, the work that we continue to do, and the momentum happening because of what's happening in Westminster—. Yes, there have been some postponements, but still, we should take advantage of this moment, and I very much hope that the two things can dovetail in a way that benefits everyone, and I would welcome a discussion with you as chair of the cross-party group, certainly. So, thank you very much, and thank you for your work in this area.

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    Diolch, Nigel. In terms of the final challenge that you put to me there, it is of course a fair one: we shouldn't ever be, and I would never want to be, measuring the work that we are doing here in terms of just structures or what's written down on a piece of paper. It has to be in what difference it makes to the reality of people's lives—people who are really struggling in society and need this support. As you've said, our front-line workers are under tremendous pressure and there are far too many people who are able to leave hospital and are not leaving hospital because of delayed discharges. It is not good enough and we need to do better. I do agree with you. In terms of these structures that I've been announcing, each of these is going to be necessary in order to encompass the work that we are doing. I don't want us to be measuring just the structures, but they are more than just bodies. They are about making sure that the work that we do, that it works together properly. When we talk about a national intelligence hub, that's not just for the sake of having a national intelligence hub. It's to make sure that we can see the patterns of, 'Okay, so, where could these discharges be improved here? What is'—sorry, I'm not in front of the microphone—'happening in this local health board area? Is this happening somewhere else? Is this a national problem? Is this something where we need to be targeting support?' I go again back to the point that it is greater than the sum of its parts, but it only will be greater if it truly delivers for people. There will be demonstrable ways in which people will be able to see improvements over the course of this Senedd term. It's similar to the safeguarding announcement that I made a few weeks ago. Okay, there are some elements—. For example, the hub will be coming in in April 2027. I hope that, certainly within months of that coming live, we would be able to see demonstrable improvements. I would really welcome Members' thoughts, both from the committee and Members more generally, about what would be the best ways for the Senedd to continuing scrutinising how this develops. This is something that goes beyond any Government and goes beyond any party. We have to get this right for our society, so I would welcome further conversations on that. Thank you.

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    Diolch, Kiera. Yes. The short answer is, yes, certainly I will work with counterparts on this. Overseas workers should be valued. They should be treated no differently from workers who have been recruited domestically. They help make people's lives better. They make such a huge contribution to our society. No employer should be exploiting their status in order to, in some way, save money. I do not blame you for being lost for words. We have published guidance and resources to help workers understand their rights, but I appreciate that, in many of these situations, these workers will be in a very vulnerable situation and might not feel that they know where to turn. I would implore them to know that a range of assistance is available, including the National Advisory Service for international social care workers. That provides advice, it provides information. We also work very closely with our trade union partners, who provide such important support and advocacy for overseas workers. I am really grateful that you have raised this issue today, because it should shame us all that this is happening.

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    Diolch, Catherine, for those questions. I know that there were a few other points that I won't repeat, but I appreciate why you're asking them, of course. In terms of the safeguarding point—and I appreciate that you've raised this before—the system is very much meant to support some of the most vulnerable people in our society. Of course we wouldn't want to have unintended consequences to come as part of this, and I know that this is something that you're really concerned about. I wonder if you could write to me with the individual concerns that you have, because I'd really like to look into those, to make sure that something that we don't intend isn't going to happen. Would you mind writing to me so that I can look into that in some detail? Diolch.

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    1. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Health and Care

    English Deputy Minister for Social Care, Mental Health and Women’s Health

    Diolch, Art. Baby Loss Awareness Week is a really important opportunity to remember much-loved babies and to recognise the experiences of bereaved families. Alongside ongoing actions to improve support for families, plans are in place for the illumination of the Welsh Government building in Cardiff for the wave of light on 15 October.

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    Diolch, Art. I'm really grateful that you've raised this seriously significant issue. And in terms of the specific point that you made there, I know that there are some of these areas that would be in Westminster Government control, some in Welsh Government control, but anything that we can do to encourage that to happen, absolutely, I would be supportive of that. I cannot begin to imagine the pain a mother or father goes through when they lose a baby. Baby Loss Awareness Week is a very timely moment for each of us to remember the hidden grief that too many parents carry beneath the surface of their daily lives: the loss that doesn't lessen with time, the birthdays or due dates that they will mark each year, the little lives that didn't start, but have stayed with them every day since they lost them. We cannot know the grief another person goes through. We owe it to those parents that their babies are remembered. The Member has talked about needing to work with bereaved families. I support that idea intrinsically. I've held several meetings with Sands and with bereaved families, and I am determined to keep working with them to ensure that bereaved families help to shape what we do in this area. Nothing—nothing—can lessen the loss that they have suffered, but they want to fight to make things better for other families in the future. And my God, I want to help them to do that.

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    Diolch, Vikki. That's also a really timely and important question, and I agree utterly with what you said there, that the devastation and grief that a parent, a family, goes through can never be defined by something arbitrary like a calendar. I think that there are many ways in which we can ensure, whether that is—. I'd be interested to see what we can do in terms of signs, and things like that, in areas of hospital wards. But I think that's a really important challenge, actually, and I'd like to go away and think a bit more about how we can use every possible opportunity to ensure that families know that that is there. Because there's no point in it being there if—. This theme comes up very often in the Chamber. If people don't know it's available, then what on earth is the point of it being there in the first place? I'll take that challenge. Thank you for raising that to see how we can use every opportunity to make sure families know about it. Diolch, Vikki.

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    Diolch am hwnna, Sara, ac ymddiheuriadau unwaith eto fy mod i'n gorfod cael fy nghefn tuag atoch chi pan dwi'n eich ateb chi. Fel roedd Sara'n dweud, byddwn i eisiau estyn fy nghariad innau hefyd at y rhieni hynny sydd yn gwylio, ac i ddiolch i drefnwyr nid yn unig y digwyddiad mae Sara wedi sôn amdano, ond trefnwyr digwyddiadau dros Gymru sydd yn digwydd ac sy'n rhoi cymaint o gefnogaeth i rieni sydd yn dioddef.

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    Thank you for that, Sara, and apologies that I have to have my back to you when I'm responding to you. As Sara said, I would like to extend my love to those families who are watching, and to thank the organisers not only of the event that Sara mentioned, but also events across Wales that are happening and that provide so much support to bereaved parents.

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    Every family who face pregnancy and baby loss has to have that support that is compassionate, that is consistent no matter where they live, as the Member has alluded to. The 'National bereavement care pathway' that we've published set out the standards of care that families should receive across Wales, and there are pathways on sudden and unexpected death, on children and young people, on pregnancy and baby loss, and they are there with the aim to support a more consistent approach across the country. We're working with health boards, NHS Wales and Sands to support how that is rolled out and to monitor how it is delivered. Every health board has a named bereavement lead in place, and, again, we are continuing to work with the NHS, local authorities and the third sector to strengthen those bereavement services and to make sure that there is not variation. Families have to receive the care that they need, and I know that that need doesn't go away when someone leaves hospital. The journey of grief is one that they will be on throughout their lives, and we owe it to them to walk with them when they tread that difficult path.

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    6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Family Drug and Alcohol Courts

    Welsh Deputy Minister for Social Care, Mental Health and Women’s Health

    Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. A diolch i Tom am ddod â'r ddadl yma gerbron y Senedd, a diolch i'r Aelodau sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl eithriadol o bwysig yma. Fel pobl eraill, fe wnes i ddilyn datblygiad y cynllun peilot a chael fy hun yn gofyn cwestiynau tebyg i rai o'r cwestiynau sydd wedi cael eu codi heddiw. Mae'r dystiolaeth i gefnogi'r model yn gryf. Daeth gwerthusiad y cynllun peilot i'r casgliad y dylid ehangu'r ddarpariaeth yng Nghymru, fel rydyn ni wedi clywed. Mae'r profiad o'r llysoedd hyn yn Lloegr yn dangos canlyniadau cadarnhaol tu hwnt. Fe wnaeth comisiwn Thomas hefyd argymell y dylai dulliau datrys problemau gael eu defnyddio fel mater o drefn, ac y dylai llysoedd o'r fath gael eu sefydlu yng Nghymru. Wrth gwrs, roedd y gwerthusiad hefyd yn nodi bod sawl rhwystr a chymhlethdod yn perthyn i fodel y llysoedd. Mae hynny yn arbennig o wir yng Nghymru oherwydd y cyfuniad o gyfrifoldebau wedi eu datganoli a heb eu datganoli. Fe wnaeth y comisiwn argymell y dylai'r gyfraith sydd yn ymwneud â phlant a chyfiawnder teuluol yng Nghymru gael ei dwyn ynghyd mewn un system gyfreithiol gydlynol sy'n cyd-fynd â swyddogaethau ym maes iechyd, addysg a lles. Byddai datganoli cyfiawnder yn creu cyfleoedd i gynllunio gwasanaethau o amgylch anghenion Cymru, yn hytrach na dim ond atgynhyrchu trefniadau sydd wedi'u datblygu mewn mannau eraill. Mae'r profiad gyda'r llysoedd hyn yn dangos mai dim ond un ystyriaeth yw effeithiolrwydd, mae'n rhaid hefyd pwyso a mesur cynaliadwyedd, gofynion y gweithlu a chostau cyfle wrth benderfynu ar y ffordd fwyaf priodol o ddefnyddio adnoddau. Felly, nid yw hyn yn syml, ond mae gwaith yn mynd yn ei flaen yn y cyd-destun yma. Mae'r model yn gofyn am ymrwymiad gan awdurdodau lleol, y farnwriaeth a'r llysoedd. Mae'n gofyn hefyd am flaenoriaeth gan lawer o wasanaethau, gan gynnwys camddefnyddio sylweddau, cam-drin domestig ac iechyd meddwl.

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    Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. And thanks to Tom for bringing this debate before the Senedd, and thank you to Members who have taken part in this vital debate. As others, I followed the development of the pilot scheme and found myself asking similar questions to those that have been raised today. The evidence to support the model is strong. The evaluation of the pilot scheme concluded that provision in Wales should be expanded, as we've heard. The experience of these courts in England demonstrates positive results. The Thomas commission also recommended that problem-solving approaches should be used routinely, and that such courts should be established in Wales. Of course, the evaluation also noted that there were many barriers and complications associated with the courts model. That is particularly true in Wales due to the combination of devolved and non-devolved responsibilities. The commission also recommended that the law relating to children and family justice in Wales should be brought together under one coherent legal system that is compatible with functions in the areas of health, education and welfare. The devolution of justice would create opportunities to plan services around the needs of Wales, rather than just reproducing arrangements that have been developed elsewhere. The experience with these courts demonstrates that effectiveness is only one consideration, we must also weigh up sustainability, workforce requirements and opportunity costs when making decisions on the most appropriate way of using resources. So, this is not simple, but work is proceeding in this context. The model requires commitment from local authorities, the judiciary and the courts. It also requires prioritisation from many services, including substance misuse, domestic abuse and mental health.

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    We need to ensure, of course, that funding is available and is sustainable for whatever model we use, because in England the loss of funding has sadly seen some teams disband. This isn't exclusively a decision for the Welsh Government, but we are forefront in relevant conversations in Wales and in the development of the family justice strategy with the Ministry of Justice. Our priority is moving the whole family justice system to a more empathetic and understanding environment, where families feel supported and, crucially, that they have hope. Now, that requires a cultural and systemic change that is wider than just FDACs, of course, and that's already under way. There is so much more that can be done. Last year, the FDAC working group recommended work continues on problem-solving approaches and intensive support for families going through court proceedings. Dirprwy Lywydd, this is an evolving picture. It was discussed in more depth at regional workshops that were facilitated by the Centre for Justice Innovation earlier this year. The subsequent CJI report highlighted all three regions had a clear appetite for further exploration and development of FDAC problem-solving, trauma-informed approaches within public law proceedings in Wales. The report went on to recognise regional variation, system pressures and the need to build on existing good practice. Overall, the workshops identified a shared set of recommendations to guide the next steps, which will move forward under oversight of the family justice network. Recently, I met the Deputy First Minister and the Minister for Government Effectiveness and the Constitution, who share policy interests in family justice. We intend to work closely together on reforms to the family justice system, some of which will closely align with those of colleagues in the UK Government, of course, through the family justice strategy.

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    I regret the second part of that contribution. Look, I understand, of course, none of us want to cause harm to children, and we have to make sure that the decision that is made takes into account all of these different complexities. If I could be in a position today and say, 'Yes, we are able to do this', of course I would want to do that. I do acknowledge that there is really positive evidence around FDACs. The options that we need to consider within the Welsh context, which is what the working group have been looking at, need to look at additional structures and whether they would be the best option, looking as well at some of the approaches that have been taken in Scotland, that do follow different but maybe comparable models, and looking to see whether that would be possible. Of course, we need to make sure that whatever future approach that's taken complements existing provision, rather than adding any further complexity. We need to look at sustainability, workforce capacity. We're not delaying for delay's sake. It's so that we make sure that we get this right, although I do utterly appreciate the fervour that is in this Chamber about wanting to move quickly. I understand that entirely.

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    So, diolch, Jane, am hwnna. Mae ein rhaglen lywodraethu yn nodi bod atal ac ymyrryd yn gynnar yn ganolog i bob proses o ddatblygu polisi. Rŷn ni am weld system cyfiawnder teuluol sy'n cefnogi teuluoedd i aros gyda'i gilydd ac sy'n atal plant, eu rhieni a'u teuluoedd ehangach rhag mynd trwy drawma achosion llys. Mae llysoedd teulu cyffuriau ac alcohol yn cynnig model o gymorth dwys i deuluoedd pan fydd achosion llys wedi cael eu cychwyn. Ond yng Nghymru, mae ein Deddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru) 2014 eisoes yn cynnwys model tebyg, sef y gwasanaeth integredig cymorth i deuluoedd. Mae hwnna'n ymyrryd yn gynharach drwy roi cymorth dwys i deuluoedd sydd ag anghenion lluosog. Mae'r model hwn wedi esblygu ac mae yna ffurfiau gwahanol ohono ar gael ar draws Cymru. Felly, rwy'n bwriadu adolygu'r gwasanaeth hwn a chael trafodaeth agored am ba elfennau sy'n gweithio'n dda a beth sydd angen gweithio yn well. Mae'n amlwg fod rhai o'r rheini. Byddwn ni hefyd yn gweithio gyda Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig i ddatblygu dull o ddatrys problemau mewn llysoedd teulu. Rŷn ni wedi dangos sut y gallwn ni sbarduno newid drwy gyflwyno llysoedd sy'n canolbwyntio ar y plentyn ledled Cymru, ac mae'r data wedi dangos bod hyn yn llwyddiannus. Fe wnaeth hyn sefydlu ffordd o weithio sy'n rhoi'r plentyn wrth galon y broses ac yn defnyddio dull datrys problemau. Mae hynny'n ein rhoi mewn sefyllfa dda i fanteisio ar y profiad a'r dysgu hwnnw yn y dyfodol. Dwi eisiau sicrhau yr Aelodau, Ddirprwy Lywydd, y bydd ein system cyfiawnder teuluol yn parhau i ganolbwyntio ar gadw plant yn ddiogel gyda'u teuluoedd ble bynnag mae hynny yn bosibl. Bydd gwasanaethau yn gweithio gyda'i gilydd i atal anghenion rhag dwysáu ac i helpu teuluoedd i wneud newidiadau y gellir eu cynnal. Pan fydd teuluoedd yn dod i gysylltiad â'r llysoedd, rydyn ni eisiau profiad mwy empathetig sy'n canolbwyntio ar y canlyniadau gorau i'r plentyn. Wrth gwrs, mae'r cyfrifoldebau hyn yn ymestyn ar draws gwahanol rannau o'r Llywodraeth a bydd angen cyfraniad gan y farnwriaeth a Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig. Bydd angen manteisio hefyd ar yr hyn sy'n cael ei ddysgu o'r model llys teulu cyffuriau alcohol a theuluoedd sydd â phrofiad uniongyrchol, a dwi'n dod i ben yma. Er bod y newid hwn yn gymhleth, dwi'n credu bod ein partneriaid yn rhannu'r un brwdfrydedd dwi wedi ei glywed ar draws y Siambr y prynhawn yma i gydweithio ac i symud y gwaith hwn yn ei flaen ar frys. Diolch.

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    So, thank you, Jane, for that. Our programme for government states that prevention and early intervention are central to all policy development processes. We want to see a family justice system that supports families to stay together and that prevents children, their parents and their wider families from going through the trauma of court cases. Drug and alcohol family courts offer a model of intensive support for families once court proceedings have been initiated. But in Wales, our Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014 already includes a similar model, namely the integrated family support service. This intervenes earlier by providing intensive support to families with multiple needs. This model has evolved and different forms of it can be found across Wales. I therefore intend to review this service and have an open discussion about which elements work well and what needs to work better. Clearly, there are some of those. We will also work with the UK Government to develop a method of solving problems in family courts. We have shown how we can drive change by introducing child-centred courts across Wales, and the data have shown that this is successful. This established a way of working that puts the child at the heart of the process and uses a problem-solving approach. That puts us in a good position to capitalise on that experience and learning in the future. I want to assure Members, Dirprwy Lywydd, that our family justice system will continue to focus on keeping children safe with their families wherever possible. Services will work together to prevent needs from escalating and to help families make sustainable changes. When families come into contact with the courts, we want a more empathetic experience that focuses on the best outcomes for the child. Of course, these responsibilities extend across different parts of Government and a contribution will be required from the judiciary and the UK Government. There will also be a need to capitalise on what has been learned from the drug and alcohol family courts model and from families with direct experience, and I'm finishing here. Although this is a complex change, I believe that our partners share the same enthusiasm that I've heard across the Chamber this afternoon to work together and move this work forward urgently. Thank you.

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    Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Diogelu yw un o gyfrifoldebau sylfaenol pwysicaf unrhyw lywodraeth. Mae'n golygu gwneud yn siŵr bod gan bob plentyn, pob person ifanc a phob oedolyn sy’n wynebu risg yr hawl i fyw eu bywydau'n ddiogel rhag camdriniaeth, esgeulustod, camfanteisio neu niwed. Dyna pam mae diogelu yn dal i fod yn flaenoriaeth allweddol i'r Llywodraeth hon, a dyna pam mae cryfhau trefniadau diogelu yn ganolog i'n rhaglen lywodraethu. Heddiw, dwi'n cyhoeddi 'Diogelu Cryfach ar gyfer Cymru Fwy Diogel', sef rhaglen Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer tymor y Senedd hon i wella trefniadau diogelu ar draws y system gyfan. Mae'r rhaglen yn dwyn ynghyd ein gwaith i gryfhau trefniadau diogelu ar gyfer plant, pobl ifanc ac oedolion sy’n wynebu risg, a hynny o dan un fframwaith gwella. Mae'n cydnabod, er y gall cyfrifoldebau diogelu fod yn wahanol ar draws gwasanaethau a sectorau, fod yn rhaid i arweinyddiaeth effeithiol, gwybodaeth, atebolrwydd, dysgu a phrofiad bywyd fod yn ganolog i'r system ddiogelu gyfan. Yn ddiweddar, mae adolygiadau diogelu, arolygiadau, ymchwiliadau ac adolygiadau ymarfer wedi dangos cryfderau ein trefniadau diogelu, yn ogystal â'r canlyniadau difrifol pan fydd y trefniadau hynny'n methu. Ar yr un pryd, mae'r risgiau y mae pobl yn eu hwynebu yn dal i esblygu. Mae mathau newydd o gamfanteisio yn dod i'r amlwg. Mae disgwyliadau'r cyhoedd yn cynyddu, a hynny’n briodol. Rhaid i'r systemau sydd wedi'u cynllunio i amddiffyn pobl barhau i addasu a gwella.

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    Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. Safeguarding is one of the most fundamentally important responsibilities of any government. It's about ensuring that all children, young people and adults who are at risk have the right to live their lives safe from abuse, neglect, exploitation or harm. That is why safeguarding remains a key priority for this Government, and that is why strengthening safeguarding arrangements is central to our programme for government. Today, I'm announcing 'Stronger Safeguarding for a Safer Wales', the Welsh Government's whole-system safeguarding improvement programme for this Senedd term. The programme brings together our work to strengthen safeguarding arrangements for children, young people and adults who are facing risk, and does so under a single improvement framework. It recognises that while safeguarding responsibilities might differ across services and sectors, there is a need for effective leadership, intelligence, accountability, learning and lived experience to be at the heart of the whole safeguarding system. Recently, safeguarding reviews, inspections, inquiries and practice reviews have demonstrated the strengths of our safeguarding arrangements, as well as the devastating consequences when those arrangements fail. At the same time, the risks that people face continue to evolve. New forms of exploitation are emerging. Public expectations are rising, and rightly so. The systems designed to protect people must continue to adapt and improve.

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    Our commitments are clear. Children's voices must be heard and must be acted on. The signs of abuse must be recognised earlier. Lessons have to be learned when safeguarding concerns arise, and we are committed to taking forward duties to report child sexual abuse. Those commitments remain central to our approach. This Government is clear that safeguarding cannot simply be an aspiration, it must be demonstrated through action. Every review provides lessons that must be learned. Every inspection identifies chances that might have been missed, opportunities for improvement. Every safeguarding incident demands reflection and action. But if we respond only to individual events, we risk creating a system that is reactive rather than preventative. Our ambition must be greater than that. We need a safeguarding system that continuously learns, identifies risks earlier, shares intelligence effectively and acts before harm escalates. We need a safeguarding system that is joined up, accountable and ensures that lessons lead to consistent improvement across Wales. That is why the strengthening safeguarding governance review that was led by Jan Pickles has been so important and continues to be important. The review found that while Wales has strong legislative foundations, safeguarding governance has become fragmented, with inconsistent intelligence arrangements, limited national oversight and a need for clearer accountability.

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    Mae'r Gweinidog Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gofal a minnau wedi derbyn argymhellion cam 1 yr adolygiad. Mae’r cyfle sydd o'n blaenau yn fwy na gweithredu argymhellion unigol, wrth gwrs, mae'n gyfle i gryfhau'r system ddiogelu yn ei chyfanrwydd a sicrhau ei bod yn addas i ymateb i risgiau heddiw ac i heriau'r dyfodol. Mae’r rhaglen diogelu cryfach ar gyfer Cymru fwy diogel wedi'i chynllunio i gyflawni hynny. Mae’n dod â'n hymrwymiadau ni, y gwersi a ddysgwyd a chanfyddiadau’r adolygiad i gyd at ei gilydd mewn un rhaglen i ddiwygio'r maes diogelu. Mae ei phwrpas yn glir, fel dwi wedi'i ddweud: cryfhau arweinyddiaeth, gwneud y system yn fwy cydlynol, hybu effeithiolrwydd diogelu, a sicrhau—ac mae hyn yn ganolog, Ddirprwy Lywydd—fod lleisiau plant, pobl ifanc, oedolion sy’n wynebu risg, dioddefwyr a goroeswyr yn siapio'r gwasanaethau sydd wedi'u cynllunio i'w hamddiffyn. Mae'r rhaglen wedi'i llunio o amgylch pedwar uchelgais: arweinyddiaeth ac atebolrwydd cryfach o ran diogelu; trefniadau diogelu clir a chyson ledled Cymru; system sy’n dysgu ac yn gwella; a gwrando ar blant ac oedolion a gweithredu’n gynharach. Bydd yr uchelgeisiau hyn yn cael eu cyflawni drwy raglen o weithgarwch fesul cam ar draws tymor y Senedd hon. Gyda'i gilydd, fe fyddan nhw’n creu'r sylfeini ar gyfer gwella'r system yn y tymor hir.

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    The Cabinet Minister for Health and Care and I have accepted the recommendations from phase 1 of the review. The opportunity before us is not simply to implement individual recommendations, of course, it's an opportunity to strengthen the safeguarding system as a whole and ensure that it is equipped to respond to the risks of today and the challenges of the future. The stronger safeguarding for a safer Wales programme is designed to achieve that. It brings together our commitments, lessons learned and review findings together into a single programme of safeguarding reform. Its purpose is clear, as I've said: to strengthen leadership, to make the system more coherent, to promote the effectiveness of safeguarding and to ensure—and this is central, Deputy Llywydd—that the voices of children, young people, adults at risk, victims and survivors shape the services designed to protect them. The programme is structured around four ambitions: stronger leadership and accountability for safeguarding; clear and consistent safeguarding arrangements throughout Wales; a system that learns and improves; and listening to children and adults and acting earlier. These ambitions will be delivered through a phased programme of activity across this Senedd term. Together, they'll create the foundations for improving the system over the long term.

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    A key element of the programme will be the establishment of a ministerial safeguarding oversight and assurance board. This will strengthen national leadership, accountability and oversight of safeguarding risks across Wales, ensuring a clear line of sight between safeguarding intelligence, system performance and ministerial assurance. We will establish a dedicated safeguarding function within a national social care intelligence hub. The hub will bring together intelligence, data, evidence and lessons from across Wales. It will strengthen our ability to identify emerging risks, understand patterns of harm and support more informed decision making across the safeguarding system. It will also help ensure that lessons from reviews, inspections and wider safeguarding activity are translated into action. We will also develop a national safeguarding plan and a national safeguarding risk register. Together, these will provide a clear national framework for safeguarding improvement, helping to align priorities, strengthen accountability and support greater consistency across Wales. The programme will also create the conditions for future reform. And this will include our intention to consult on proposals for an adult and child protection authority for Wales, helping to inform the future shape of safeguarding arrangements in Wales. Alongside these developments, we will continue to take forward our commitment to strengthen duties to report child sexual abuse. This delivers on our manifesto commitment and builds upon the recommendations of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

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    O'u hystyried gyda'i gilydd, mae'r datblygiadau hyn yn adlewyrchu dull system gyfan o wella diogelu. Fe fyddan nhw'n helpu Cymru i symud tuag at system ddiogelu sy'n rhagweithiol yn hytrach nag adweithiol, yn ataliol yn hytrach nag ymatebol, ac sy'n cael ei llywio gan wybodaeth, dysgu ac atebolrwydd. Un o'r negeseuon cliriaf sy'n deillio o adolygiadau, arolygiadau a phrofiad bywyd yw bod yn rhaid i wersi sbarduno newid. Yn rhy aml, mae gwersi o adolygiadau, ymarfer, arolygiadau a data yn parhau i fod wedi'u gwasgaru ar draws sefydliadau a sectorau. Bydd yr hwb gwybodaeth gofal cymdeithasol cenedlaethol yn cryfhau dull sy'n dysgu o bob achos. Ein nod fydd sicrhau bod y gwersi hyn yn cael eu troi’n gamau gweithredu, bod partneriaid diogelu yn cael eu cefnogi i ymateb yn effeithiol i risgiau sy'n dod i'r amlwg a bod pobl ledled Cymru yn cael eu hamddiffyn yn well rhag camdriniaeth, esgeulustod, camfanteisio a niwed. Ac un o nodweddion pwysicaf y rhaglen hon fydd yr ymrwymiad i sicrhau bod lleisiau pobl yn cael eu clywed a bod gweithredu'n digwydd yn sgil hynny. Dyma oedd yr ymrwymiad eto yn ein maniffesto, ac mae'n parhau i fod yn ganolog i'n gweledigaeth ar gyfer diogelu yng Nghymru.

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    Taken together, these developments represent a whole-system approach to safeguarding improvement. They will help Wales move towards a safeguarding system that is proactive rather than reactive, preventative rather than responsive, and a system that is driven by intelligence, learning and accountability. One of the clearest messages emerging from reviews, inspections and life experience is that lessons must drive change. Too often, the lessons of reviews, practice, inspections and data remain dispersed across organisations and sectors. The national social care intelligence hub will strengthen an approach of learning from every case. Our aim will be to ensure that these lessons are translated into action, that safeguarding partners are supported to respond effectively to emerging risks and that people across Wales are better protected from abuse, neglect, exploitation and harm. And a defining feature of this programme will be the commitment to ensure people's voices are heard and acted upon as a result. This was the commitment again in our manifesto, and it remains central to our vision for safeguarding in Wales.

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    Children, young people, adults at risk, victims and survivors often have the clearest understanding of how safeguarding systems work in practice and where they need to improve. Their voices must never be an afterthought. They must be central to how safeguarding services are designed, scrutinised and improved. That's why lived experience will be embedded throughout this programme. The experiences of all victims and survivors will help shape that improvement, that accountability and those future developments of the system, because safeguarding systems should not simply work on paper. They should be shaped by the people they exist to protect. Dirprwy Lywydd, ultimately, this programme is about building a stronger safeguarding system for Wales, a joined-up system that learns, rather than reacts, a system that identifies risks earlier and listens to people's experiences, a system that provides stronger protection and better outcomes for children, young people and adults at risk. Stronger safeguarding for a safer Wales is our commitment to creating the conditions for better protection, stronger accountability and improved outcomes for children, young people and adults at risk across Wales. We owe it to them to get this right. Diolch.

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    Diolch, Claire. As you've said, safeguarding is indeed one of the most profound requirements and responsibilities of any Government, and indeed of any Senedd too, in terms of the responsibilities that each of us have to represent those people who have put their trust in us. It is something that we as a Government take incredibly seriously, and I'm really gratified to hear again that I hope that there will be cross-party agreement on the need to get these things right. As you've alluded to here as well, people have to feel empowered to feel that they will be listened to if they report, and also, as you alluded to there, if a child has not themselves disclosed something, but someone suspects, that's why, again, we're going to be looking in the future at how to strengthen that mandatory reporting, so that where there are gaps, where there's a possible chance where something could be lost, we are making sure that we close those gaps in the net. So, absolutely, I agree. And you said too that the policy is only effective in terms of how it works in practice, and, indeed, children do face increasing risks. Safeguarding risks are now cutting across different organisations, different geographical divides, different service boundaries. Child sexual exploitation, criminal exploitation, online harms, modern slavery, complex adult safeguarding concerns—these have become so complicated, we need this stronger national leadership and co-ordinated action. This programme sets to look at that overarching structure, and it is going to develop, and I hope very much that the Senedd will continue to scrutinise how it does develop, and where Members have ideas, and where you can point us to people with further expertise who should be involved—this is something that is going to evolve over the course of the Senedd term, of course. And, yes, we have to be looking, of course, into how this is translated into workforce training, and I think that's a really important point. I'm really grateful to you for bringing some of the human voices into this debate, and as you have asked—. Well, in terms of making sure that we are acting as quickly as possible, that is why this is a phased programme approach, so that we can bring activities together where the practical improvements that can happen immediately can happen as quickly as possible, at the same time as establishing a structured route for those more complicated reforms, so that we're not waiting for one thing to happen before we are moving on with that. And absolutely, in terms of clear co-ordination and avoiding duplication, that is one of the main reasons why we're going to be introducing things like the central intelligence hub, and, of course, the ministerial oversight board, to make sure that we have that trosolwg—. What is 'trosolwg' in English? That oversight. I think it is literally 'oversight'. And in terms of some of the practical improvements that could be brought about by this, having that stronger evidence base to make sure that we're setting the right priorities and we're targeting improvements in the right place, and that we can spot those risks emerging. Because sometimes something might be seen as, 'Oh, this is only happening in this one area.' We need to have the oversight to see that. Actually, this is not just collecting data; it's about making sure that we are improving people's lives and improving services before something awful happens. In terms of who will oversee that work, that will sit underneath the national office, so that it doesn't sit in isolation. It will report to the ministerial assurance board. Now, a lot of this data is obviously going to be in the public domain already, but it's bringing that together. I think that the points you make about foster families and the wider workforce do deserve consideration, certainly, with that. No-one would want any unintended consequences to come about, so I wonder if you would be willing to write to me with some of those particular concerns, so that we could look into that in greater depth. I'd really appreciate that. Thank you, Claire. And of course, in terms of the review of the current effectiveness, that was what Jan Pickles's review had been looking at, and whilst we've committed, of course, to taking forward all of those recommendations, as I've said, this doesn't stand frozen in time. We have to keep learning. We have to keep seeing where there are gaps that need to be filled, where those risks keep evolving. So, this is something that—. I'm really proud that we are setting down this framework, but a framework is only going to exist if all of those components within it keep it erected in the air, afloat, depending on what the metaphor is. But, no, thank you, Claire. Diolch yn fawr iawn.

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    Diolch, Lynne, and I know that this is something that—. You have tremendous expertise in this area and dedication over many years, and I thank you for that. Of course, what we are doing here is building on a lot of work that was done by the previous Government and, again, I'm grateful to you for leading a lot of that work. And in terms of how the—. I'm grateful that you've welcomed a number of the separate components of what I've been announcing today. You asked specifically a little more about how the central intelligence hub will work in practice. As I've set out, in terms of spotting patterns and gaps and helping to set priorities, a lot of this data or the intelligence already exists, but if we were to ensure that—. That would include things like insights arising from single unified safeguarding reviews. If we can bring those insights together to develop a greater national understanding of where different patterns are and where these risks are emerging, so that—. Because it's, deeply worryingly, something where so many risks evolve and emerge, we need to keep looking to make sure that something doesn't get lost or thought of as, 'Oh, well, that's something that is isolated. That couldn't possibly happen here.' We can never think in that way. And I suppose this intelligence hub, which would be under the National Office of Care and Support, would be—. We'd want a dedicated safeguarding arm of that to bring all of that intelligence together. It would do things like spotting risks that cross organisational boundaries, that cross geographical boundaries, and make sure that that evidence helps to set priorities nationally, and make sure as well that—. I said earlier that a lot of this information is already available publicly. We are going to be establishing—well, I think we're, certainly, looking at establishing—a number of task-and-finish groups to look at how exactly this data can be used, how we can be guided, and I would welcome any Members with expertise in this area, including you, Lynne, if you have thoughts on how that should evolve, I'd really like to draw on your expertise with that. You asked particularly about 'Our Bravery Brought Justice' and the voice of the child, which, if there is one thing that is a common theme running throughout this work and this, whether we look at it as a structure, whether we look at it as architecture, the fundamental cornerstone of all of it is making sure that children, when something goes wrong, either their voice is heard if they've raised that concern themselves, or someone is looking out for them and that gets heard and that gets spotted. It is something that—. I'm really determined that we have to make sure that this system is informed by those voices. If we look at 'Our Bravery Brought Justice', the name of that report says it all. Children should never have had to have been that brave in the first place. We have to make sure that something like that doesn't happen again. We have to take every action possible to try to make sure that that doesn't happen again. And again, very often, we need to make sure that the services we have—. Even if they're well-meaning, they're not always trauma-informed, they're not always person-centred. We need to make sure that this is something that, again, as you have alluded to, is cross-Government. It's something that I'll be working really closely with the Cabinet Minister for education on, certainly, but across health, across social care, across so many different aspects, this is something that will come into so many elements of children's and young people's and adults' lives. Phase 2 of the review is looking at sport, at faith, at religious groups. We need to be looking across different sectors. You asked about statutory return-home interviews, and, yes, that is something that is definitely under consideration. I think it is £700,000 that has been set aside for the work on safeguarding, but there is other work from other budget expenditure lines that is coming together, because, of course, this is, again, a cross-Government initiative. But I would say, again, that there are Members across this Chamber who have had disclosures made to them, who have had horrendous experiences themselves or have known people who have gone through terrible things, and you will know more than anyone that we owe it to people who have gone through something terrible to get it right for people in the future. Their voices have to shape those improvements. So, diolch, Lynne, for those questions.

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    Diolch, Natasha, for those questions. As you've said, this has to be about making improvements to people's lives. This can't just be about what's down on a piece of paper, it can't just be what is collected in graphs. It's about whether what is collected is analysed effectively, whether it leads to action and whether that action translates into saving and improving people's lives, because that's the stuff that we're really talking about here. So, none of us will lose sight of that, of course. You've alluded to cases in the past where too many missed opportunities have been missed opportunities to act. We have to learn from those. We have to do everything in our power to save children and adults at risk in the future. And, yes, this Government has committed to adhering to the law—always, of course. And we have also committed always to protecting those groups and those people who are at greatest risk and who are vulnerable in our society, and there are many facets to this. That is something that the Deputy First Minister has always been consistent on. In terms of what you asked about what this will mean for front-line staff, well, this, of course, will mean empowering front-line staff. Because there will be so many missed opportunities that staff themselves will have flagged, when different staff might have spotted something, whether that was in one area or the same patterns emerging in different places. This will mean that we are ensuring that those staff voices will be amplified and that they won't be standing in isolation any more. And, of course, as I mentioned to Claire, we're going to have to look at training and making sure that staff, in order to be empowered, are able to use the—. To make sure that they are aware of how this is going to change their work, but it is about empowering them and not putting further burdens on them. Because, of course, a lot of this, in terms of—. You asked about capacity. This is workable because an awful lot of this is not creating new obligations; this is about when staff are spotting things, when staff are doing their jobs, that we are gaining that national picture and that we have greater cohesiveness across the piece. So, it isn't about creating new forms or anything like that that staff will need to fill in; it's about making sure that every contact counts and that every voice is listened to. You asked some specific questions about when, and I mentioned earlier that this is going to be a phased programme of work, so that where there are things we can do immediately, we can act very quickly on those at the same time as progressing some of the work that, as I've mentioned, is going to take further time and further consultation in some of these areas as well. In terms of the ministerial oversight board, the plan is to establish that certainly by the beginning of next year. In terms of the national safeguarding plan and the national risk register, the time frame—. So, I think that we are determining at the moment whether it will cover three years or five years, but there will be annual deliverables and it's something that we are going to be working on over the next two years to establish, in terms of making sure that we know what a good system looks like. Again, that is with the hope of consulting on an adult and child protection authority in the future. So, again, this is phased because we don't want to do something that is then going to—. We don't want to have to throw the baby out with the bath water. So, that is why—. And I hope I haven't asked—. And in terms of how children's voices will actually be listened to, whether they are actually going to matter in this process, as I mentioned to Lynne, we are going to be, I hope, establishing some task and finish groups to look at how exactly this can work. But we want a system that is more person centred, that's more accessible, that's more trauma informed, so that children don't have to keep retraumatising themselves by disclosing time and again about the same thing. We need to make sure that how the system itself is experienced improves and is made better, because of the voices of people who've gone through too many awful things in the past as well. As I said to Lynne, if there is one cornerstone in all of this structure, it is ensuring that children's voices and young people's voices, and adults at risk, that their voices shape structures and systems for the future. They will be central to all of this.

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    Thank you so much for your expertise and your work for many years in this area. You mentioned at the start that there are too many children who have been let down by our system in the past, and the workforce and people like your husband, people who are working day in, day out to protect them, and to save more children's lives must be commended, and that has to be central. Child protection social workers, of course, are going to be central in all of this. What you've talked about there as well, in terms of ensuring that we work with children, that we learn from their voices, but also the voices of the people who support them. That has to be absolutely central to our approach. We're going to be working, of course, with lots of different partners, with the National Youth Advocacy Service, with Llamau, to make sure that we are learning every lesson possible and that there are no gaps in what we're doing.

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    Diolch, Sera, and, as you said, listening alone cannot be enough. And the point has been made by Members across the Chamber that the measure of success is going to be where the children and young people and adults at risk and victims and survivors can see that their experiences have influenced decisions, have improved practice and that they lead to better outcomes. That is the measure of success here. And, of course, we want to make sure that lived experience goes further in influencing policy and that organisations, again, not only listen but demonstrate what they've done differently as a result. And the ministerial group will want a clear line of sight of this. You asked about overall scrutiny. There will be a really clear role for that in terms of internal to Government. I will be very interested to see what the Senedd proposes as well in terms of scrutinising this, because that will be of vital importance as well. A number of Members have asked for some practical examples about how this is going to help children and young people at risk. Maybe one example: safeguarding systems can be very difficult to understand and to navigate, and national programme materials could maybe, perhaps, help individuals to understand the safeguarding system. They could be shaped by the voices of those who have used these services in the past, so that children and young people would not have to be seeing this through the lens of something as frightening—that they would be seeing it shaped by children and young people who have gone through it themselves. But, again, all of these ideas are to be developed by that expertise. So, diolch, Sera.

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    Diolch, Catherine, and it's a similar point, of course, that was raised by your colleague Claire, and of course that needs consideration to make sure that we don't have unintended consequences, and I do take that point, of course. The central, fundamental need here is for children's safety and the safety of individuals who are at risk to be at the centre of all of this. The intention here very much is that it will be further empowering those people who surround those children, and certainly not the opposite, which are the instances that you would have alluded to there. That is why the system will be iterative, why it will build with time to make sure that we are spotting any potential negative consequences that we would never want to happen. And again, if any Members have concerns about things that you would like officials and for me to be considering in greater depth, then please, if you could write to me, I would be very grateful. Thank you for raising that. Diolch, Llywydd.

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