First Minister, you'll be aware that my constituency of Flint Wrexham is probably most affected by those economic relationships with north-west England, and businesses there tell me of the importance of a road network, in particular those artery routes of the A55, A483 and the A494. To be fair to the previous Government in this place, towards the end of the last term they made some significant commitments to improving those roads in Flint Wrexham. Will your Government continue to support those improvements, and will you look at further investments on those roads in my constituency of Flint Wrexham?
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Thank you, Cabinet Minister, for your statement and for your early engagement on this supplementary budget. Of course, this first supplementary budget gives the new Welsh Government an important opportunity to set out its priorities. When people look at this budget, they are thinking about the issues that affect their daily lives, their jobs, their business, their local school or hospital, and whether they feel confident about the future. They want reassurance that the Government they elected last month will make decisions that will help improve their lives, create opportunities for the next generation, and deliver value for hard-working taxpayers. We know, then, that the first question to enable this is whether the supplementary budget does enough to support growth in our Welsh economy. A strong economy creates jobs, supports enterprise, attracts investment and generates the revenue needed to fund and sustainably invest in our vital public services, and most importantly enables people to get on, flourish and pull themselves away from poverty. Businesses across Wales regularly tell me that they want a Welsh Government that understands the importance of growth. They want investment in infrastructure, better transport links, and policies that encourage them to expand, innovate and create jobs. We need to know how the Government intends to support enterprise, attract investment and create the conditions for businesses to succeed. Indeed, in the 'The First 100 Days' document from Plaid Cymru, it is stated that: 'Our economic plan will unlock that potential—growing and sustaining Welsh-owned businesses, delivering good jobs, reviving our town centres and boosting living standards.' It is a surprise, then, Cabinet Minister, that this supplementary budget seems to look like a missed opportunity to address even slightly some of those issues in the economy. Can the Cabinet Minister explain specifically how the measures contained within this supplementary budget will help deliver that objective of an improved economy? This question is particularly important given that Wales continues to face long-standing economic challenges after nearly 27 years of a Labour-led Government. Economic growth has too often lagged behind other parts of the UK, leading to disproportionate levels of poverty here in Wales. I am concerned, Cabinet Minister, that your initial approach does seem to be dealing with the symptoms and not the cause. You have announced, of course, the £2 million of Cynnal funding, which is essentially welfare spend, which is not a devolved remit. How will you ensure that this is best value for money for Welsh taxpayers, and achieve sustained, transformative growth in our economy—the compassionate approach that we need—rather than causing more people to get stuck in a cycle of poverty? On education, Cabinet Minister, parents and teachers across Wales want well-funded schools, supported by a funding formula that is fair and fit for purpose. I welcome the additional capital funding for school maintenance, but I will join colleagues in this place in regard to the ALN funding. I think there’s a misunderstanding of where the debt sits around ALN funding. You said in your statement that you 'spoke to the leader of local government...last week to explain that councils will not receive the one-off funding to write off special education debts accumulated by local government in England, as those debts do not exist in Wales in the same way.' Of course, most of those debts won't show as an ALN debt on a budget ledger. They are the reason, often, why so many schools in Wales now are running deficit budgets. Schools in Wales are running tens of millions of pounds in deficit budgets. That is the very real debt that education and schools are in, and ALN is a significant proportion of that. That has to be recognised, Cabinet Minister. I’m not sure what your officials are telling you if you think that that debt does not exist here in Wales. It definitely does, and it needs to be addressed. And I would expect that there's a fair argument to recognise this and to provide one-off funding to alleviate these deficits and then use the future funding that you're going to get, as you said, in 2028, to put a sustainable model in place. I absolutely agree with you that there has to be a sustainable model, but you also have to address the deficit that has been caused over recent years. So, would you commit to investigating this further and seeing whether that is an approach that could be acceptable? I'll briefly touch on healthcare, Cabinet Minister. We're grateful, of course, for the dedication and professionalism of NHS staff across Wales, yet patients continue to face significant challenges, including those long waiting times. It's welcome to see your supplementary budget seeking to address some of those issues in the short term, but as Darren Miller mentioned earlier, there's a risk that an unsustainable model is being created that isn't necessarily best value for money. So, how will you ensure that you're getting the best bang for your buck when it comes to that £100 million investment in health services, and how will you ensure that this spend is going to create good value for money?
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I think it's absolutely right for Members of this place to ask for assurances from its Government as to the safeguarding arrangements that are in place for any type of people across our country, because safeguarding our communities is a fundamental role of all elected Members in this place. The First Minister will be aware that one of the biggest safeguarding scandals of our time has been that of the grooming gangs seen across the UK, and it shows what happens when authorities fail to ask difficult questions or to properly investigate concerns: victims being let down. We have a duty to make sure that those mistakes never are repeated. That's why I'm disappointed that Plaid Cymru has refused to back a Wales-wide grooming gangs inquiry. At a time when survivors are asking for answers, surely we should be looking at those issues more closely, not shutting down further scrutiny. So, if the Welsh Government is confident that safeguarding measures are working across Wales, why won't it support a Wales-wide inquiry to help give victims the answers they deserve and reassure the public that lessons have been learned?
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Diolch, Lywydd. Cabinet Minister, let me also congratulate you on your role and thank you for your early engagement also. Cabinet Minister, what assessment have you made of how much ministerial and civil service time and resource is likely to be spent on constitutional and independence-pursuing work over the Senedd term, and how do you think that that may affect the Government's capacity to focus on core public service delivery?
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Thank you for your response, Cabinet Minister. I agree with you that the people of Wales expect their Government in Wales to focus on what really matters in their day-to-day lives—the economy and those important public services. But there is a very real risk, of course, that a Plaid Cymru Government will spend far too much energy on those constitutional debates and the push for independence. And you will know, of course, Cabinet Minister, that economic analysis has suggested that independence would cost the average working taxpayer around £11,000 a year—a huge figure that highlights the level of risk and uncertainty being attached to this debate at a time when families are already under significant pressure. You'll also be aware that your own finance Cabinet Minister recently stated that the outlook for the Government's finances is challenging, and added that there is probably more challenge than she expected there to be, which raises further questions about whether it is the right focus of your attention to pursue this agenda of independence here in Wales. So, Cabinet Minister, explain what assessment has been made of the impact this ongoing focus on the constitution is having on your ability to deliver on your core responsibilities. Surely, your priority right now should be to get the powers that you already have working well for the people of Wales.
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Thank you, Cabinet Minister, for your statement, and for sharing it in advance also, and for your early engagement. I declare an interest as an LEA governor as well. I agree with you, Cabinet Minister, that education should be giving every young person in Wales the best possible start in life, but parents across Wales are all asking the same question: is this system delivering the standards our children deserve? And unfortunately, the answer right now to that question is 'no'; the system is not delivering the standards our children deserve. The fact is that we are spending more per head in Wales than in England, yet outcomes continue to lag behind. So, I wonder, as my first question, Cabinet Minister, if you have a view as to the biggest reason why there continues to be a gap, despite that sustained investment over time. It's not enough to point to increased spending; we have to be honest about whether that money is translating into better outcomes for learners. And you've rightly pointed to the desired focus on standards. The reality is that we continue to see Wales at or near the bottom of UK education rankings, and consistently doing poorly on international PISA rankings, with too many young people still leaving school without secure literacy and numeracy skills. That's a long-standing issue and one that requires urgent attention and clear accountability. And in particular, on those PISA rankings, I wonder if you have a target in mind as to where you want Wales to be at the end of this Senedd term to show progress in relation to all-important standards, and also a position that you want to be held accountable for in terms of those PISA rankings. Attendance remains below that of pre-pandemic levels—I agree with you that there has to be a focus on attendance—falling from 94 per cent to around 91 per cent currently. For some of the most vulnerable learners, particularly those eligible for free school meals, persistent absence remains far too high. So, I wonder what further action will be taken to engage with parents to drive up attendance and ensure consistency across all schools, particularly for those disadvantaged pupils. We're also, as we've heard, seeing pressures on the system itself. We know that teacher numbers and support staff numbers have fallen in recent years, while demands on schools have increased. And Cabinet Minister, you mentioned the new teacher initiative of £20,000 to encourage new teachers into the system. But you'll also know that, in England, new teachers are offered £30,000 to start teaching. So, I wonder how you think you'll address that gap of £30,000 to start teaching in England but £20,000 to start teaching here in Wales. On mobile phones in schools, this has been an issue raised consistently by teachers and headteachers, and by the Welsh Conservatives in this Chamber as well. And new survey findings published today by the Welsh Conservatives also reinforce this concern, showing mobile phone restrictions are widely seen as having positive impacts on reducing distraction, improving behaviour, tackling bullying and supporting learner well-being. I welcome your statement, your commitment, to consult on statutory guidance to limit mobile phone use in schools. But can you confirm today whether the Welsh Government intends to take a more consistent, national approach to mobile phone use in schools, or whether it will continue to leave these decisions entirely to individual schools without a national framework in place? You acknowledged, Cabinet Minister, the importance of higher education to the Welsh economy, and indeed Lynne Neagle also picked up on this point, because it, of course, helps create jobs and growth. However, we know that fewer students are going to university here in Wales than in England, which is putting pressure on universities and how they are funded. I believe if we connect universities, apprenticeships and the needs of the economy more closely, we can keep higher education strong, make it more accessible and ensure it's financially sustainable in the long term. But I'd be keen to hear your views on the future of the sector. I appreciate you've answered that, in part, to Lynne Neagle a moment ago, but I would be keen to hear that in a little more detail, to give that assurance to our higher education providers. Deputy Presiding Officer, this is a system that the new Welsh Government has inherited, a system with clear and persistent challenges, so the question that needs answering now is not linked to blame, but about direction and outcomes. Because, ultimately, people will judge this Welsh Government not on plans or statements, but on whether things actually improve in the classroom, and, in my role in this place, that's what I will continue to do to scrutinise your decisions. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
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Thank you for your response, Cabinet Minister. You'll know the important role that faith groups have in education here in Wales, in particular both the Catholic Church and the Church in Wales, in having schools all across Wales. In my part of the world in Fflint Wrecsam, the Catholic Church has a number of schools in some of our poorest areas, in some of our most needy areas, and do a fantastic job in supporting our communities. You may be aware that Flintshire County Council are pursuing an agenda of closing a number of these Catholic schools in my area, specifically in Saltney, where St Anthony's Catholic Primary School is under threat of closure. The local authority there, Flintshire, are telling parents and children that they should either go to England for their Catholic education, or travel 14 miles to Flint for their Catholic education. First of all, do you agree with Flintshire council that it's appropriate to tell parents and their children to go outside of Wales for their Catholic education, or do you think that education should be available for them within Wales? Secondly, would you be willing to meet with me to discuss this issue further to see what solutions may be available?
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I'm grateful to have the opportunity to speak in today's debate. I want to try and attempt to answer a question as to why this motion today is so important. Because, for me, this debate is not just about pounds, shillings and pence, but rather about a message to parents and families around confidence in starting or growing a family. And western societies, like ours here in Wales, are facing a crisis, and that's one of declining birth rates. While it's perhaps not something we debate often in this Chamber, it will become one of the defining issues of our age that will impact every aspect of society. We currently have a declining birth rate at a level of 1.44 children being born per couple, well below the 2.1 required to maintain population levels as they are. This continued trajectory will create severe challenges for public services, the workforce and economic growth, and childcare costs and associated pressures are repeatedly shown to be a major factor in this trend. Of course, childcare is one of the most important areas of public policy, because it sits at the intersection of family life and economic opportunity. It affects how families organise their lives, whether parents can work, and how children are supported in their earliest and most formative years. When childcare is affordable and flexible, parents are able to participate fully in the workforce, businesses benefit from more stable labour supply, and the wider economy becomes more productive. When it’s expensive or inflexible, it can become a barrier to work and place additional pressure on family finances. But childcare is much more than just economics alone; it’s about supporting families to make the right choices that are right for them and their children. Any successful childcare system must recognise the realities of family life and provide parents with genuine flexibility. That is why getting childcare policy right requires more than just ambition: it requires clarity about what is being proposed, how it will be delivered and how it will be paid for, so that families can have certainty and confidence to plan and prepare for the future. If a policy is genuinely affordable, then publishing those full costings should strengthen confidence in it, not weaken it. If it is not, then the public deserves to understand what choices are being made elsewhere in the budget to pay for it. The debate is not simply about cost, it is about the broader policy—the kind of childcare system we want to see here in Wales. Welsh Conservatives believe childcare policy should be designed around families, not around Government. Government, of course, has an important enabling role in helping parents balance work and caring responsibilities, but it should do so in a way that recognises the different circumstances and choices of families across Wales, because while the state can create the right environments for children to be raised, it should never replace the role of the family. Parents remain at the centre of a child’s life, supported by grandparents, relatives and wider family networks, whose contributions remain invaluable to working families and communities alike. That reality is already visible across Wales. Many families rely not on a single model of childcare, but on a combination of formal provision and informal family support. A successful childcare system should recognise that diversity, strengthen it and give parents the flexibility to choose the arrangements that work best for them and their children. Because, ultimately, a strong childcare system is about trust: trust in families to make decisions about their own lives, and trust in Government to be honest about what funding its policies will require to deliver its policies. That is why a policy like this should be properly costed, properly planned and properly transparent from the outset. This gives families confidence in starting—
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Absolutely. My last sentence, certainly.
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And we were grateful for the Lib Dems supporting that policy when you were in Government with us as well. [Laughter.] Policies should be properly costed, planned and transparent right from the outset. It's this that gives families confidence in starting a family or growing their family, and will go some way to fix what will continue to be the issue of our age, that declining birth rate. That is what this motion asks for, and that is why we should be supporting it here today. Diolch, Lywydd.
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I too must declare an interest as a local education authority governor of a school in north Wales. School staff are so important to our education system here in Wales. Teaching assistants, catering staff, cleaners, caretakers and administrative workers keep our schools running every single day. They're essential to the learning environment, even if their contribution is not always visible in the same way as classroom teaching. Yet, for too long, their pay, conditions and recognition have not reflected their importance. We've already heard, haven't we, how many are employed on term-time-only contracts, meaning they are, effectively, paid for around nine months of the year rather than 12, which creates financial insecurity in work. These are almost already the lowest paid in the public sector, and it's felt most sharply by those with the least flexibility to absorb it. There is also inconsistency built into the current system. Pay and conditions can vary from one local authority to another quite significantly, even for staff doing very much the same roles. That means recognition and reward for their work depends too heavily on where they happen to be employed, rather than the value of what they do. But, Deputy Presiding Officer, we have to be honest about how we got here. This is not a new problem. It's been developed over 27 years of Labour in government here in Wales, propped up by Plaid Cymru, during which these structural issues in our education workforce were allowed to persist. Staff have been left in a system that's fragmented, under pressure and increasingly reliant on goodwill rather than proper structure. It's therefore not credible for those same parties to now present themselves as discovering these problems for the first time or to claim ownership of a solution only once they are no longer solely responsible for fixing it. We also know the system is under pressure. Workforce data shows that the number of learning support workers has declined in recent years. Schools are reporting growing strain on staffing and increasing reliance on support staff to fill gaps where teachers are absent. That is not a sustainable position for any education system. It's in this context that the proposal for a statutory school support staff negotiating body does become important. The principle is to bring structure where there's been fragmentation and consistency where there's been variation. Where a workforce is as large and vital as this one, there should be a proper mechanism for negotiating pay and conditions, rather than leaving it for uneven local arrangements. This is about fairness, but it's also about stability. Schools function best when staff feel valued, secure and properly supported. When support staff face insecurity in pay and limited progression, it affects retention, morale and, ultimately, the quality of support available to pupils in the classroom. We agree that a statutory negotiating body would give school support staff a formal voice, ensure their contribution is properly recognised and help create a more coherent system across Wales. It would also help address long-standing inconsistencies that have built up over time rather than being properly resolved. So, while this proposal is being brought forward now, it speaks of problems that have been present for many years. The question is whether we are prepared to fix those structural issues in a meaningful way, or whether we continue with a system that has clearly struggled to deliver fairness and consistency for the workforce that our schools, and, ultimately, our children, depend on. For those reasons, this proposal deserves serious consideration and support. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
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First Minister, Members have raised really important issues and you've responded to them in terms of the real-world impact of safeguarding concerns. Many children, though, live much of their time online, in the cyber world, in the virtual world, where safeguarding concerns continue to exist for those young people. We've called for a smartphone ban in schools across Wales to protect and support those children who are facing cyber bullying content, which is certainly not appropriate for them. Why is it that your Government are not supporting our calls for a Wales-wide ban on phones in schools, so that those children can be protected in the right way?
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Llywydd, I nominate Paul Davies.
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Darren Millar.
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