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    7. Reform UK Debate: Bovine TB

    Welsh Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability

    Diolch yn fawr iawn, Lywydd, a diolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu at y ddadl. Dwi hefyd eisiau dechrau drwy gydnabod yr effaith sylweddol y mae TB mewn gwartheg yn parhau i'w gael ar deuluoedd sy'n ffermio ledled Cymru. Mae TB, wrth gwrs, fel rŷn ni'n gwybod, yn effeithio ar fywoliaethau, yn effeithio ar les anifeiliaid, yn effeithio hefyd ar les ffermwyr a'u teuluoedd. Felly, dwi'n cytuno'n llwyr pan fod y cynnig yn dweud bod yn rhaid inni gydnabod y baich ariannol ac emosiynol parhaus y mae'r clefyd yma yn ei roi ar gymunedau gwledig. Dwi wedi gweld yr effeithiau dinistriol yma drosof fi fy hun, a dyna pam mae mynd i'r afael â TB mewn gwartheg yn parhau i fod yn flaenoriaeth allweddol i fi, ond yn flaenoriaeth allweddol i'r Llywodraeth yma hefyd.

    Official English translation

    Thank you very much, Llywydd, and thank you to everyone who has contributed to the debate. I also want to start by acknowledging the significant impact that bovine TB continues to have on families farming across Wales. TB, of course, as we know, impacts the livelihoods of farmers, it impacts on animal health, and on farmers and their families' well-being, too. So, I agree entirely when the motion says that we have to acknowledge the financial and emotional burden that this disease places on rural communities. I have seen those devastating effects with my own eyes, and that's why tackling bovine TB remains a key priority for me, but also a key priority for this Government.

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    There's no doubt that bovine TB is a highly complex, challenging and persistent disease. There is no single route of transmission and no simple solution. Cattle-to-cattle transmission remains a significant issue, but it is recognised that wildlife can also act as a source of infection, and that is why our response must be comprehensive and based on the evidence. As Members know, I recently announced my intention to refresh the TB eradication programme. The foundations of the current programme are strong, but we all now need to build on that progress and all step up our efforts if we're to achieve our ambition of a TB-free Wales by 2041. I've met with the farming unions, with the British Veterinary Association, the TB programme board and the chair of the technical advisory group. Along with the wider technical advisory group membership, their combined expertise and advice will help shape the next phase of our approach. I agree that robust biosecurity standards and practices must remain a cornerstone of on-farm disease control. Effective biosecurity is a shared responsibility, with farmers and veterinarians working in partnership to prevent, detect and respond to disease threats, protecting animal health, livelihoods, public health and the resilience of our farms. But we must also be honest with ourselves. While biosecurity and cattle controls are essential, they're not the whole answer. If we are serious about achieving a TB-free Wales, we have to consider all sources of infection and all scientifically validated control measures available to us. This is why I agree that any future approach must recognise wildlife as one of several sources of infection that can contribute to the spread of bovine TB. While I recognise that wildlife can play a role in the transmission of bovine TB, it is important that we don't pretend that wildlife is responsible in every case, nor should we prejudge the conclusions of our expert advisors. The technical advisory group is there to provide independent scientific expertise and advice, while the programme board brings together a wealth of practical lived experience and expertise from across the sector. I'm currently awaiting further advice from both groups on the role of wildlife and wildlife interventions, amongst other topics, and I look forward to considering the evidence base and their advice carefully. I also intend, by the way, to publish that advice to inform the wider debate. I understand the frustrations of those who believe that progress has not been fast enough, and yes, I share those frustrations as much as anyone else. However, it is important that we get this right and that our decisions are grounded in robust evidence, alongside consideration of effectiveness, practicality, deliverability, animal welfare and value for money for the taxpayer. We must also recognise that some progress has been made in Wales. Let's not forget that more than 95 per cent of Welsh herds are officially TB free. That, I have to say, reflects the substantial efforts and hard work of farmers themselves, the vets that they work with and officials across Wales. I think we should always recognise that those efforts are ongoing. But the challenge we face now is to build on that progress and push forward towards TB eradication in Wales. Innovative projects in Pembrokeshire and north Wales, for example, demonstrate the value of collaboration, stronger engagement between farmers and their vets, and local tailored action. I know that just as no two farms are the same, no two herd TB breakdowns are the same, and the measures to keep TB out of individual herds will also be different again. I commend the work of both of these projects and recognise the positive feedback that they're generating. The knowledge and experience from both of those projects will help inform future policy development. Picking up on some comments made about us knowing what we need to do and that the evidence is there, as Anna Nicholl told us, the science isn't static. That's why we have brought scientists, vets and world-renowned experts together in the form of the technical advisory group. They've travelled halfway around the world to come to Wales to help us deal with this situation, and it's constantly evolving. We're constantly learning from those local projects, from experiences in other parts of the UK and beyond. It's only right that we let the experts advise us and not think that politicians know best. With regard to the proposed amendment, I welcome the constructive approach taken by the Member in recognising that progress has been made over recent years. However, you can't deny that the programme board's position paper, which was published in March, was clear that a step change is needed if we are to meet our TB eradication target here in Wales. Without that, more animals, more farmers, more farming families will experience the distress caused by TB breakdowns for longer.

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    Lywydd, y gelyn cyffredin fan hyn yw TB mewn gwartheg, ac mae ein hymrwymiad yn glir. Byddwn yn diweddaru'r rhaglen dileu TB ac yn datblygu dull newydd sy'n cael ei arwain gan wyddoniaeth, sy'n seiliedig ar dystiolaeth, sy'n holistaidd ac sydd yn dod â phobl at ei gilydd. Hynny yw, rŷn ni'n ei ddatblygu mewn modd cydweithredol. Does dim atebion cyflym, dwi'n ofni, i TB mewn gwartheg, ond drwy weithio gyda'n gilydd a chanolbwyntio ar wartheg, ar bobl ac ar fywyd gwyllt, dwi'n credu y gallwn ni gyflymu'r cynnydd a symud Cymru'n agosach at yr uchelgais dwi'n gwybod rŷn ni i gyd yn ei rhannu yn fan hyn yn y Siambr, sef i gael gwared ar TB erbyn 2041. Diolch yn fawr.

    Official English translation

    Llywydd, the common enemy here is bovine TB, and our commitment is clear. We will update the TB eradication programme and develop a new science-led, evidence-based and holistic approach, which is collaborative too. We are developing it in a collaborative way. There are no quick fixes, I fear, for TB in cattle, but by working together and focusing on cattle, people and wildlife, I believe that we can accelerate progress and move Wales closer to our shared ambition, an ambition that I know we all share in the Chamber, of eliminating TB by 2041. Thank you.

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    8. Welsh Conservatives Debate: Deposit-return scheme

    Welsh Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability

    Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Yn gyntaf, fel mae nifer wedi ei wneud, dwi eisiau cychwyn drwy longyfarch pobl Cymru ar gyflawni un o'r cyfraddau ailgylchu uchaf yn y byd. Mae hynny yn dystiolaeth glir o ymrwymiad pobl Cymru, dwi'n meddwl, i ddiogelu'r amgylchedd a'r pwys mawr sy'n cael ei roi ar ofalu am yr amgylchedd gyda strydoedd, traethau a mannau cyhoeddus glân yn cael eu hystyried nid yn unig yn flaenoriaeth amgylcheddol, ond hefyd, wrth gwrs, yn adlewyrchiad o falchder cymunedol ac o hunaniaeth Cymru fel cenedl gynaliadwy. Dwi eisiau diolch i'r Ceidwadwyr hefyd am gyflwyno'r ddadl yma, fel bod yna gyfle i fi esbonio ymrwymiad y Llywodraeth yma i gyflwyno cynllun sy'n gweithio i Gymru yn unol, wrth gwrs, â Rheoliadau Cynllun Ernes ar gyfer Cynwysyddion Diodydd (Cymru) 2026.

    Official English translation

    Thank you very much, Dirprwy Lywydd. Firstly, as many have already done, I'd like to congratulate the people of Wales on achieving one of the highest recycling rates in the world. That is clear evidence of the people of Wales's commitment to protecting the environment and the great importance placed on looking after the environment, with clean streets, beaches and public spaces being considered not only an environmental priority, but also a reflection of community pride and of Wales's identity as a sustainable nation. I also want to thank the Conservatives for tabling this debate so that it gives me an opportunity to reaffirm this Government's commitment to delivering a scheme that works for Wales in accordance, of course, with the Deposit Scheme for Drinks Containers (Wales) Regulations 2026.

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    Now, deposit-return schemes are an internationally proven way to increase recycling, to collect high-quality materials, to support reuse, and that is important, and, of course, to reduce the environmental impact of single-use drinks containers. And for Wales, this offers us an opportunity to build on our recycling success by helping to commence the transition to reuse, drawing from the proven success, as I said, of some of the world's best schemes that are out there. So, getting this scheme right is about ensuring the scheme will work for Wales so that it delivers clear return on investment and brings real benefits to producers, retailers and consumers. Now, while there may be different views on aspects of the scheme design, I think we can all agree on the shared ambition to introduce a successful deposit-return scheme that works for Wales, whilst being interoperable with the other schemes in the UK. The position on the scope of the scheme has been established, of course, with the Senedd having passed the regulations that are now in law, including the inclusion of glass and the phasing in of reuse. Reopening these fundamental elements would only create further uncertainty and certainly delay the October 2027 launch date being called for by industry, and the benefits that DRS can bring to Wales as well would subsequently be delayed. Now, I would like to directly address some factually inaccurate claims that I've seen circulating about the costs of this scheme. Let me be clear: figures cited of a DRS in Wales costing £200 million or adding 50p to the price of drinks in glass bottles are not accurate. They relate to industry's upper estimate of the potential cost of fraud in the absence of a scheme in Wales. They don't reflect the scenario that we are working to, and we are clear on the need to bring in a scheme in Wales in parallel with those elsewhere across the UK. In line with the well-being of future generations Act requirements, it's important that we're also taking a long-term view, with DRS playing an important role as an investment in a more sustainable circular economy for Wales longer term. Businesses have been clear that they need certainty and for the scheme to be delivered in parallel, as I say, with the schemes in the rest of the UK, and the regulations provide a clear framework for industry to prepare, to invest and plan with confidence, and we are committed to working in partnership with industry to deliver the scheme by October 2027. And as has been quoted—as a Government, our manifesto commitment is clear—whilst glass is in scope from the outset, the full requirements in relation to glass need to be implemented pragmatically and when feasible, particularly for SMEs. So, we're therefore committed, as I say, to working with industry to ensure the practical implementation of the regulations, and we're fully committed to interoperability with schemes across the UK. And with international examples having already demonstrated that variations in scope within a shared single market are entirely deliverable, so interoperability shouldn't be confused with uniformity, and the need to ensure that Wales has a scheme that works for us, as well as the rest of the UK, is perfectly achievable. There are examples; somebody mentioned Finland earlier, and there was reference to a long border in Wales. The Finnish border is about 20 or 30 times longer than the situation we have in Wales. We have US states, of course, that have interoperability that work to very different systems.

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    Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. I mentioned the US states as well. You know, they are in a similar position. Those aren't the same hard borders that you believe exist everywhere. These schemes can be and will be interoperable. Large tracts of the regulations in Wales actually mirror word for word the regulations in England. It's a journey that we're on. I know exactly where we want to get to, and there's a trajectory that we need to see happening. Wales was given the ability to include glass. We do have the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 because it was seen as an opportunity to see how that could be developed and how that could work, and I'm keen to achieve that, but as I say, working with the industry and working with the people of Wales who have already showed an ambition to go further. I want to make a point about the appointment of the deposit management organisation; that's where I was. Look, our aim is to take a balanced and pragmatic approach. I was saying that, combining long-term ambition with deliverability, and we currently are working at pace to complete the formal process of appointing a deposit management organisation. There was an assertion made earlier that we had rejected—we hadn't. That had happened under the former Government. We are now picking up from there, and I'm optimistic that we will bring this to a positive conclusion in short order. My focus, and that of my officials, is firmly on making sure that the organisation appointed will be able to deliver a scheme that works in Wales, and it would be inappropriate for me to prejudge the outcome or to comment on any individual applications, because, obviously, the appointment has to be made through a fair, transparent and robust process in line with the regulations. But, as I say, I hope to bring a positive conclusion to that in short order. As we have learned from international schemes, the appointment of an effective management organisation is a critical milestone in implementation, as once they're appointed, they play a pivotal role, of course, in working with producers, retailers and wider stakeholders to oversee delivery, to provide certainty to the industry and to help ensure that the scheme is launched successfully, as is planned in October 2027. And as has already been mentioned, the scheme in Wales is necessarily different because, of course, our starting point on recycling is very different. We are focused on putting in place a scheme that delivers clear benefits to Wales. One of my colleagues, Carrie Harper, said in a discussion last week on fair funding that today's underinvestment becomes tomorrow's disadvantage, and the same applies here to the economic opportunities associated with a DRS scheme and the wider circular economy. If Wales is required to wait for others to catch up, then we risk missing out on potential investment, on potential jobs, and the benefits that we're already seeing in our wider economy from our status as one of the best recycling nations in the world. Too often, decisions affecting Wales are made elsewhere by organisations whose priorities might conflict with Welsh interests. Wales should be able, of course, to shape our own future, but we also should be able to capture the value of our own resources and realise the economic benefits of the transition to a circular economy here in Wales, rather than seeing those opportunities accrue elsewhere. These decisions aren't always the easiest, I accept that, but they are the right ones, and I believe the people of Wales expect us to show that leadership. Ultimately, our goal, necessitated as I say by our current cycling rates, isn't simply to deliver a DRS for recycling, which everybody has been talking about, but it's one that supports Wales to move up the waste hierarchy, so that drink containers are used and reused again and again, so that valuable resources remain in circulation, so that producers can then benefit from a reduction in the materials needed to package their drinks, and so that the people of Wales can also benefit from the environmental improvements and economic opportunities that this is already bringing to other countries and regions around the world.

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    Nawr, mae Cymru yn arweinydd yn y maes yma, Ddirprwy Lywydd, a rŷn ni eisoes wedi dangos bod gweithredu penderfynol yn gallu sicrhau buddion go iawn i'r amgylchedd ac i'r economi. A thrwy gyflwyno cynllun dychwelyd ernes sy'n adlewyrchu anghenion ac amgylchiadau unigryw Cymru, fe allwn ni adeiladu ar y record ragorol yna ym maes ailgylchu, gallwn ni leihau sbwriel, gallwn ni hyd yn oed gynyddu cyfraddau ailgylchu ymhellach, ond mi allwn ni hefyd gefnogi busnesau a chymunedau ledled Cymru a chyflymu'r trawsnewid yna i economi fwy cylchol a charbon isel. Fel dwi wedi dweud, dwi'n gwbl glir ar le rŷn ni eisiau cyrraedd, ond fe wnawn ni weithio'n bragmataidd ac ar y cyd gydag eraill er mwyn sicrhau ein bod ni yn symud yn nes at y nod honno. Mae gennym ni gyfle gwirioneddol i adeiladu ar ein llwyddiannau ni a gosod sylfaen ar gyfer system sy'n fwy cynaliadwy yn y dyfodol. A dwi yn edrych ymlaen at weithio gyda phartneriaid ledled Cymru er mwyn trio gwireddu'r uchelgais honno.

    Official English translation

    Now, Wales is a leader in this area, Dirprwy Lywydd, and we've already shown that decisive action can deliver real benefits for the environment and for the economy. And by introducing a deposit-return scheme that reflects the unique needs and circumstances of Wales, we can build on our excellent record in recycling, we can reduce litter, we can even increase recycling rates further, but we can also support businesses and communities across Wales and accelerate that transformation into a more circular and low-carbon economy. As I've said, I'm completely clear about where we want to get to, but we will work pragmatically and collaboratively with others to ensure that we move closer to that aim. We have a real opportunity here to build on our successes and to lay the foundations for a more sustainable system in the future. And I am looking forward to working with partners across Wales to try and realise that ambition.

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    2. Questions to the Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability

    Welsh Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability

    Diolch yn fawr am y cwestiwn. Rŷn ni wedi ymrwymo, wrth gwrs, i gefnogi cymunedau ar draws Cymru i addasu i'r newid yn yr hinsawdd ac i leihau effeithiau tywydd garw. Rŷn ni eisoes wedi dechrau ar y gwaith o ddatblygu cynllun gweithredu hinsawdd a natur newydd ac uchelgeisiol a fydd, wrth gwrs, yn canolbwyntio ar gyflawni ac yn adlewyrchu'r realiti mae pobl yn ei wynebu ledled Cymru.

    Official English translation

    Thank you very much for the question. We are committed, of course, to supporting communities across Wales to adapt to climate change and to minimise the impacts of severe weather. We have already started on the work of developing an ambitious new climate and nature action plan, which, of course, will be focused on delivery and reflect the reality that people are facing across Wales.

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    I thank him again for that question. Oddly enough, it's something we've been discussing recently. I'm a big fan of increasing urban canopy cover through trees for many of the reasons that you've outlined in terms of providing that shelter and that shade, biodiversity benefits, drainage and flooding mitigation as well. So, there's a lot to be said for that. We're woefully underachieving in that space. When we look at the broader issue of tree planting levels, yes, farmers and land managers can do more, public and Government-owned land can do more, but we can do so much more when it comes to urban cover as well. So, I'd be happy to pick up with yourself and to learn more about what's happening in Cardiff, because we need to be replicating any good examples across the whole of Wales. It isn't just trees as well, of course—pocket parks and other green areas have a big role to play as well.

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    The short answer is that we need to move in that direction because, clearly, the UK Climate Change Committee in its recent report outlined that one of the biggest challenges now isn't keeping people warm, it's keeping people cool when the weather, as we have seen of late and today as well, is what it is. So, we do need to look at investing in futureproofing the infrastructure that we have, particularly in public buildings—people's homes as well. We need to address this in elderly people's homes, schools, hospitals et cetera. So, it's very much on our radar and it's very much something that we need to be thinking more about, because these are the challenges of the future. We can't bury our heads in the sand—it's coming, and we need to be ready for it.

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    Diolch yn fawr. I couldn't agree more. Local ownership, local involvement in this work breeds empowerment, it ensures that people cherish and value the work that's happening, they're invested in it, they will look after it, and it will be achieved in a way that you cannot artificially try and make happen from the top down. So, that bottom-up approach is absolutely the approach we want to see. I am aware that the Welsh Government has certain schemes to support that ground-level activity. We're always looking for opportunities to increase and provide further support, albeit, mindful of who sat next to me, it's challenging at times. But we are serious about making sure that that's where the heavy lifting happens, because that is the more sustainable answer as well, because long after organisations, companies, sponsors have gone, the community themselves, if they take ownership of something, will continue to do that. So, in principle, we support it. In practice, we do what we can, and there's always more that we can and wish to do.

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    Well, as we know, current policy sets out a presumption in favour of the undergrounding of grid infrastructure. I have regular discussions with Cabinet colleagues, as you can imagine, on many of these issues, and the Cabinet Minister for Enterprise, Connectivity and Energy will be setting out further details on our policy, building on the evidence, of course, collected about the costs and impacts of new networks, including, of course, on the environment.

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    Thank you for that. You're absolutely right, there is a responsibility on all of us to consider the multifaceted impacts that this kind of large infrastructure has. The environmental one is one in particular. You may be aware, of course, that planning policy reform, hopefully, is on its way, where the Government will be reviewing and updating national planning policy so that we can better enable some of these decisions to be done in a way that aligns all of these considerations that need to be taken on board when it comes to energy policy, the planning system, clearer spatial guidance, the environmental impact as well. So, it's work in progress. It's something we're very mindful of and something we're serious about addressing.

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    Well, there's no agenda from this Government when it comes to driving down livestock numbers. I can give you that assurance. Agriculture is central to the strength of our rural economy, and it's absolutely critical to the resilience of our rural communities. This Government is clear that Wales needs a strong, sustainable and productive livestock sector. We want to see Welsh farmers producing high-quality food in a way that's both economically and, yes, environmentally sustainable. The sustainable farming scheme is a part of achieving that, including through the sustainable production optional action, which will help farmers improve productivity and long-term resilience whilst continuing to produce Welsh meat to the high standards that we all expect. When we look at agriculture's climate impact, we have to look at the whole picture. The agriculture inventory records emissions doesn't fully reflect the wider contribution the sector makes—through carbon sequestration, for example. There's a huge contribution that is being made, and more that can be made, in that space, and we need to be looking at maximising those opportunities, to take pressure off other elements within the sector. So, there's no agenda to drive down livestock numbers from myself or this Government because the kind of food system that we want to see, the kind of food economy that we want to see in Wales, will be based on local production, local processing and local procurement. We therefore need to maintain and strengthen each element of that. So, processing and livestock numbers, the throughput numbers, is part of that, so that we can deliver a strong, sustainable and productive livestock sector, because that is a big, big priority for me.

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    Well, there are about four questions there; I'll try and answer as many as I can. First of all, on that quip about left-wing ideology, your colleague two questions ago was asking me about heat in schools and the consequences of climate change and the need for air conditioning and improved infrastructure. Maybe you should talk to each other about where you stand on this, because I'm hearing very different messages coming from these sides, these benches over here. On bovine TB, you know my view. My view has been clear, and it's aligned with the view of the TB programme board, which has explicitly said in its policy position that we need to tackle TB in the human population, in livestock, and in wildlife. I am awaiting advice from the technical advisory group that's been considering that approach, and, as soon as they report, I will then be in a position to consider options. Until we see their evidence, until we see the science that they've been perusing, then I'm not in a position to make a definitive statement on that. But as soon as I am, I will, because, for me, it's a priority, amongst a number, but it's certainly up there, high up on the list. On suckler cow premium payments, I'm aware of an approach that's been adopted in Scotland, where there are direct headage payments. I'm aware of a policy document published by National Farmers Union Cymru a few months ago, because I attended the launch. There's much to be looked at in that space. I'm also aware that numbers are dwindling, and, actually, it isn't sensible in an environmental sense if you don't get that level of controlled grazing happening in certain parts of Wales. So, there's a lot to consider. It's on my radar, and if we can use the sustainable farming scheme to try and meet that challenge in some way, then we will do so.

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    I also met the NSA last week, and I'm very aware of concerns that they've expressed more widely on disposal of sheep dip and all sorts of challenges. It does come down to animal welfare at the end of the day. It is something that we are looking at. Hopefully, there will be new and further developments in that space as well that we can utilise, because I think there's a practical reality in terms of the way that you treat animals in this space. At the minute, whilst there are certain safeguards environmentally in place, and rightly so, I think there are different ways of achieving what we all want to achieve.

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    I will be honest with the Member, I'm not fully versed on the work of those, so I'm grateful that she has flagged them. I can see from the passion in her question that she appreciates the contribution they make. I will take that away, I will look at it, and I will write to the Member with my reflections as well. But I will say that we do have an aspiration within our climate and nature action plan, which we're working at and working on, that will hopefully meet and support some of the aspirations that those groups and herself, I'm sure, will share.

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    Thank you for the question. It gives me an opportunity, I think, to reiterate an important point here, which is, I think, the thrust of your question: whilst we are keen to reduce bureaucracy and red tape, that in no way takes us away from the importance of many of the regulations and protections that we have, because they're there for a purpose, and we need to make sure that they are respected and carried through and delivered upon. What I'm not happy with is the bureaucratic burden that comes with some of those processes. So, I've said from the start, if we can take duplication out of the system—and there is duplication, we're already seeing that a few weeks into this red tape review, that there is duplication. If the Government is asking for data and information, then, are we confident that we're using it? Because, if not, frankly, why are we asking for it? These are the questions that we need to ask. Not, fundamentally, 'Do we want to row back on some of the standards, the high standards, that we insist on across the piece in Wales?' And those high standards are important, because they're a big part of what Welsh food and Welsh produce is about: it's high quality, high environmental standards, high animal welfare standards. We need to retain those. Where I'm persuaded that we need regulatory change, it'll be on the basis of making life easier and more practical, but I won't be sacrificing some of those fundamental principles that we have around the environment and animal health and welfare, et cetera—that's not the driver here; that's what I'm trying to say. The driver here is to make life easier for farmers whilst fulfilling the regulations and the aspirations that we have for the outcomes that we want to see.

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    Thanks for the question. I have met with the chief exec and the chair of Hybu Cig Cymru recently, and they know what my view is and what my aspiration is. I want a fully functioning, firing-on-all-cylinders Hybu Cig Cymru. I feel that under the new chief exec and the Vision 2030 strategy that's been published recently, that they are now on a positive trajectory. I will be a critical friend of theirs, but I will support the work that they do, because I honestly think that they are the organisation to move us forward in this space. Levy payers' voices are critical, of course they are, but we need to strike the right balance in terms of making sure that we have an organisation that is functioning, delivering. If we rip it up and start again, I fear we'll do nothing but look at internal structures for time to come. I think we're beyond the point now where we're looking back. For me, it's about looking forward and building Hybu Cig Cymru into what it could and should be.

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    Well, let's not forget that the Welsh Government brings a lot to the table here as well. So, the Welsh Government has to be represented in the organisation. And I believe that they are on the right trajectory now. So, I don't believe in changing the current structure. I will, of course, keep a watching brief on things as they develop. And I've spoken with NSA Cymru and others on a myriad of issues around this. But I've also spoken to the people running HCC, leading HCC, and they are giving me confidence that they are on the right track and I will support them.

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    Diolch yn fawr am y cwestiwn. Rŷn ni wrth gwrs wedi ymrwymo i fynd i'r afael â chanlyniadau ein gorffennol diwydiannol ac i sicrhau cyfiawnder i'r cymunedau meysydd glo yma yng Nghymru. Mae'r Ysgrifennydd Cabinet dros Gyllid wedi codi hyn gyda Phrif Ysgrifennydd y Trysorlys mis diwethaf, dwi'n meddwl oedd y sgwrs a gafwyd. Ddylai Cymru ddim bod yn cario'r baich yma ar ein pennau ein hunain ac rŷn ni wrth gwrs wedi ymrwymo i sicrhau y bydd buddsoddiad yn dod er mwyn cadw ein cymunedau ni'n ddiogel.

    Official English translation

    Thank you very much for the question. We are of course committed to addressing the consequences of our industrial past and delivering justice for our coalfield communities here in Wales. The Cabinet Minister for Finance has raised this with the Chief Secretary to the Treasury last month—I think that's when the conversation took place. Wales should not carry this burden alone, and of course we remain committed to securing investment to keep our communities safe.

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    Ydw, a dwi eisiau diolch i’r Aelod am y gwaith y mae hi’n ei wneud i geisio cyfiawnder i’r cymunedau o dan sylw. Mae yna lawer iawn o waith i'w wneud. Mae hon yn her hirdymor. Mae’r heriau cyllidol, wrth gwrs, yn sylweddol, ac rŷn ni yn mynd i fod yn pwyso, fel roeddwn i’n dweud, ar Lywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig i chwarae eu rhan nhw. Ni ddylai Cymru fod yn cario’r baich yma ar ein pen ein hunain, fel roeddwn i’n dweud, ac mae yna waith i’w wneud i sicrhau, y tu hwnt i’r ymrwymiadau rŷn ni wedi’u derbyn hyd yn hyn, y bydd yna gyllid yn dod. Oherwydd, er cymaint rŷn ni wedi’i dderbyn—ac, wrth gwrs, rŷn ni’n ddiolchgar am yr arian yna ac, wrth gwrs, yn cydnabod y cyfraniad y mae Llywodraeth Cymru ei hunan yn ei roi i’r gwaith yma—mae yna lawer iawn mwy i’w wneud, ac mi gymeriff hi ddegawdau, dwi’n meddwl, i ni gyflawni’r gwaith yn llwyr. A dwi’n siŵr, tra byddwn ni’n gwneud y gwaith, y bydd yr Aelod yn parhau i fod yn codi’r cwestiynau yma.

    Official English translation

    Yes, and I want to thank the Member for the work that she's done in seeking justice for these communities. There's a lot of work still to be done. This is a long-term challenge. The funding challenges are significant, and we will be urging, as I said, the UK Government to play its part. Wales shouldn't carry this burden alone, as I've already said, and there is work to be done to ensure that, over and above the commitments that we've received to date, that there will be additional funding made available. Because, despite what we've received—and, of course, we are grateful for the funds that we have received, and acknowledge the contribution that the Welsh Government itself is making to this work—there is a lot more to be done, and it will take decades, I think, to complete this work. And I'm sure that, whilst we do that work, the Member will continue to raise these important questions.

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    Yes, thank you very much. So, as I said, the Cabinet Minister for Finance raised this issue with the Chief Secretary to the Treasury on 16 June. Now, joint Welsh Government and UK Government investment means more than £230 million has been committed to coal tip safety since 2020. That's supported the development of a three-year multi-year grant programme, which, of course, has supported local authorities and other partners to plan, to develop and to deliver larger and more complex schemes. And that includes, by the way, Merthyr's grant award of nearly £10 million in capital funding and £1.8 million in revenue funding. But I can assure the Member that making our coalfields safe is a long-term programme. As I said, it will take the best part of decades—10, 15 years, and beyond. But we will strongly be making the case for the UK Government's funding contribution to be extended into future years at the next UK spending review, particularly, of course, so that funding extends beyond 2029-30, when the current funding settlement comes to an end.

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    Thank you for that. It is a concern that's been highlighted. In my time as Chair of the climate change committee in the last Senedd, there were concerns. Whilst rightly, the need for clearing these tips is important, there are concerns about the extraction of any residual coal in the tips and what happens to that. I will happily make representations to the UK Government and maybe I could have a moment of the Member's time as well to lean on his experience or the information that he has that maybe could support us to make that case.

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    We will deliver a dedicated flood forum for Wales to assist risk management authorities, emergency responders and communities across Wales to strengthen resilience, to improve preparedness and to support co-ordinated local action. Our flood programme will take a whole-catchment approach, prioritising, of course, nature-based solutions wherever possible, to deliver robust and futureproof investment.

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    I can give you that assurance. We are serious about meeting the challenge that communities are facing head on. Of course, it isn't just about mixing concrete. As I was saying, and as I know you appreciate, there are nature-based solutions that we can utilise and implement on a catchment-level basis as well. And, of course, it isn't just then direct flood funding that can help mitigate some of these issues; there are other sources of funding that can contribute in their unique ways. If the Member would like to write to me about the particular investment programme that she was referring to, then I would certainly have a look at that for her as well.

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    Yes, thank you for that. Clearly, I agree, as you will have gathered from my previous answer, that it is a big part of the answer for us when it comes to meeting the challenge of flooding. We've invested more than £5 million, actually, in 2026-27 to support natural flood management, much of which, obviously, takes that catchment approach. We need to look strategically at how we can slow down water flows, how we can store water, intersect surface water as well, especially when it comes to those steeper surfaces within catchments, before it reaches communities and before it hits critical infrastructure that we have. Those approaches, of course, can also deliver, at the same time, I hope, wider benefits when it comes to biodiversity, water quality, and, as well, some of the economic opportunities around doing some of this work.

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    Thank you. Obviously, this was before my time, but I am aware that that had been identified as a critical issue. My understanding is that there are now agreements in place. The other issue as well, of course, which was highlighted to us in committee in a previous life by the leader of Rhondda Cynon Taf County Borough Council at the time, was that council workers actually needed to remove and fell trees to allow debris and water to run away from flooded properties, but, of course, some of those trees needed applications for licences to remove them. So, my understanding, again, is that the bodies involved are now in agreement about a pragmatic way forward. You may gather—Members may gather—that I am a big fan of practical and pragmatic approaches to these kinds of things, and I would be very disappointed if, with this having been highlighted a long time ago now, it has not been addressed, but I will double-check and I will report back.

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    Can I thank the Member for raising this because I know that she has been a strong advocate of action around the Hafod landfill site for a long, long time? I recognise the work that she's done over many years, actually, and I also recognise the strength of feeling locally around this issue. Now, you will be aware that the Senedd Petitions Committee published a report recently and the Government, of course, has responded to the recommendations of that, and we are working closely with Natural Resources Wales to strengthen monitoring and to improve transparency. We've allocated funding this financial year to support further work on enhanced odour monitoring at landfill sites in Wales, including, of course, importantly, Hafod, so that we can assess how monitoring data can be collected, interpreted and used effectively within the regulatory framework. But I will say something else as well because, as part now of our wider move away from landfill, I've asked officials to explore options for restricting biodegradable waste to landfill. This could help reduce the generation of landfill gas and, therefore, associated odour issues, whilst also, of course, reducing movement, potentially, of some waste from outside of Wales into these sites. In relation to closure, clearly, decisions on the operation of Hafod landfill, including any permit review or restrictions or revocations, are matters for Natural Resources Wales and, as Ministers, we can't prejudge or direct those decisions. But, looking at the bigger picture, particularly at the piece around biodegradable waste, I think we can do something there.

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    Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am y cwestiwn. Dwi wedi dechrau ar y gwaith o sicrhau bod yna ryw fath o joined-up approach gyda ni pan fo hi'n dod i ddatblygu strategaeth fwyd genedlaethol ar gyfer y dyfodol. Mae fy swyddogion yn edrych ar sgôp ac approach strategol y gwaith yma. Dwi'n ymgysylltu, wrth gwrs, â rhanddeiliaid allweddol, yn cynnwys yr undebau amaeth a busnesau. Dwi wedi cael cyfarfod hefyd efo comisiynydd cenedlaethau'r dyfodol er mwyn dechrau siapio’r gwaith yma a'i ddatblygu ymhellach. Mi fydd yna grŵp gweithredu gweinidogol yn cael ei greu, a gobeithio y byddwn ni’n cyhoeddi pwy fydd yn arwain y gwaith ac yn cadeirio'r gwaith yma cyn bo hir.

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    Thank you very much for the question. I have commenced the work of ensuring that there is a kind of joined-up approach to developing a future national food strategy. My officials are establishing its scope and strategic approach. I am engaging key stakeholders, including farming unions and businesses. I've also had a meeting with the future generations commissioner to start to shape this work and to develop it further. There will be a ministerial working group set up, and we hope to be able to announce who will lead and chair that work shortly.

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    Growing those kinds of enterprises is a cornerstone of much of the business activity and growth we want to see. As a Government, we'll be supporting food and drink businesses of various sizes, of various stages in maturity, so that they can grow and thrive, through different schemes that we are providing. Our support programmes provide tailored expert advice and guidance through their business journey, because every business faces different challenges. That agility and ability to adapt to those particular needs is important as well. It's a big part of the kind of rural economy I want to see being grown here and strengthened in Wales. I made the analogy previously, I think, in this Chamber that the local economy too often is like a leaking bucket. There are too many holes in the bucket, and a lot of the wealth is flowing out of our communities. We need to be plugging those holes so that we can keep the pound circulating in our local communities. It brings me right back to where I started this session, when I was talking about the aspiration to max out on local production and local processing, supported by local procurement as well. If we crack that nut, then I think we'll have plugged a few of those holes in the bucket.

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    The Welsh Government develops policies through a combination of scientific evidence, stakeholder engagement and practical land management experience. Programmes such as the sustainable farming scheme have been shaped through consultation with farmers, land managers, scientists and environmental organisations, ensuring policies are evidence based, locally informed and support the resilient ecosystems and rural communities that we all want to see.

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    Thank you for your question. I can confirm that we will absolutely work with these groups and organisations to make sure that they're sustainable and that their programmes support those who have particular needs when it comes to accessing food. Officials across the food division—and tackling poverty, actually—are working closely with stakeholders to develop a common set of objectives and performance indicators for local food partnerships around this. This work will bring together the cross-portfolio priorities of the combined funding from food, from social justice as well, because it traverses a number of portfolio responsibilities here, from health to social justice, poverty, food, farming, et cetera. It's another example of where, when we get it right, we can achieve a multitude of benefits through one single investment.

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    7. Reform UK Debate: A Welsh Rivers Act

    Welsh Cabinet Minister for Rural Resilience and Sustainability

    Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Gaf i ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu i'r ddadl yma? Dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n wir i ddweud ein bod ni i gyd yn siarad o'r galon pan ydyn ni'n trafod y mater yma. Er efallai bod y geiriau yn gwahaniaethu'r pwyslais, dwi'n meddwl ein bod ni i gyd eisiau gweld yr un canlyniad ar ddiwedd y dydd.

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    Thank you very much, Dirprwy Lywydd. May I thank everyone who's contributed to this debate? I think it's true to say that we are all speaking from our hearts when we discuss this issue. Although the words might differ in emphasis, I think we all want to see the same outcome at the end of the day.

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    The Welsh Government will protect our rivers, but we will do that by taking control of water in Wales so that we can strengthen regulatory oversight, improve accountability of water companies and drive better environmental performance across our rivers, lakes and seas. As I said, there's no disagreement about the scale of the challenge that we face; water quality in Wales is not where we want it to be. While progress has been made, only around, as we heard, 40 per cent of water bodies in Wales currently meet good ecological status. That underlines how far we have come, but certainly how much further we need to go. Public concern is high and people rightly expect urgent and visible action. I agree with the public strength of feeling. We want clean water, we want a healthy environment and we want a system that delivers for communities, not one that tolerates failure. That is why the Welsh Government is taking forward a comprehensive programme of water reform, which is focused on three things: taking control of our water, strengthening regulatory oversight and company accountability, and improving environmental performance. At the heart of our approach is a simple principle, and that is that decisions affecting Wales should be made in Wales. The First Minister has already made that case to the Prime Minister, because this is about ensuring that Wales has the capability to act decisively in the interests of our people and our environment. A central part of this reform is ensuring that regulation reflects the reality of devolution and isn't stuck in the past. The current system, of course, is based on an outdated 'wholly or mainly' model, which no longer aligns with the way Wales is governed. We're working with the UK Government to align water regulation with Wales's geographic border, and good progress has been made. I hope to confirm more about that shortly. This is about clear accountability, it's about coherent regulation, and, of course, for all of us here, it's about stronger democratic oversight for customers as well, on both sides of the border. This Government will reset how Wales manages water. We will create a clearer, more coherent system for Wales that supports long-term strategic decision making, that directs investment to Welsh priorities, and strengthens regulatory oversight in Wales. This isn't just about structural change; we want to see better outcomes for Wales. Under a Welsh-focused regulatory framework, companies will be subject to clearer expectations, stronger performance oversight and more direct consequences when they fail to meet standards. This includes the ability to set price controls for Wales, it includes delivering value for money for Welsh customers, and direct investment to priorities determined here in Wales. We will honour our manifesto commitment that water company bosses should not receive bonuses where companies fail to meet the standards the public rightly expect. Let me be clear: where companies fall short, they must face consequences, and customers must not bear the cost of putting things right. But in improving water quality, we have to be honest about the nature of the problem. Sewage discharges are a major concern, but they are not the only issue. We know, as many have acknowledged in the debate, that agriculture and rural land use is part of the problem, so it needs to be part of the answer. But the point I'm making is that there is no single cause of it, so there is no single solution here, and that's where our approach will need to be a whole-system approach. We're working with water companies to reduce sewage spills and improve infrastructure, but we're also working in partnership with Natural Resources Wales, farmers in Wales and the agricultural sector to deliver those sustainable solutions that reduce pollution at source whilst also supporting a resilient rural economy. This includes moving towards a more science-led, outcomes-based and risk-proportionate approach, moving away from the blunt farming-by-calendar approach, which is clearly not working. We will replace rigid one-size-fits-all rules with a system that better targets high-risk activity—yes, that needs to be targeted—but also better supports good practice. We're also strengthening catchment-based approaches through nutrient management boards and wider partnerships to bring together regulators, farmers, water companies and local authorities to deliver co-ordinated action on the ground, including, of course, through nature-based solutions. Because the reality is this: lasting improvements in water quality will only be achieved if everybody plays their part. Dirprwy Lywydd, this is a longer term programme of reform, and it's essential that we deliver it in a way that maintains stability for customers, but also confidence for investors. The Welsh Government is working closely with the UK Government on the forthcoming clean water Bill, which is expected later this year, which will devolve powers to the Senedd to enable us to establish a new regulator. But we're also working with the UK Government to bring forward the necessary legislative consent motions in a timely way, making sure that decisions affecting Wales are subject to Senedd scrutiny here in this Chamber. Now, alongside this, we're co-developing a transition plan with the UK Government to make sure that there are no gaps in regulation or any disruption to services as we move towards the new system in Wales, and that transition plan will provide stability through this period of change while sending clear signals to regulators and companies about all our expectations. So, once we have the powers, we can bring forward legislation within this Senedd term and that is exactly what I intend to do. And I look forward to all Members here playing their part in scrutinising that legislation, and making it the strongest legislation it can possibly be. Subject to these processes, we expect a new regulatory system to be established in the early 2030s, aligned with future price review cycles, and designed to deliver long-term environmental and economic outcomes for Wales. But while reform progresses, we won't wait to act. We will continue to strengthen monitoring of pollution incidents, and I will seek assurances from Dŵr Cymru, from Hafren Dyfrdwy, from Natural Resources Wales, Ofwat and others that robust action is taken where failures occur. Dirprwy Lywydd, this Government's position is clear: we will take full control of water in Wales, we will strengthen accountability and we will deliver a water system that protects our environment, that supports our communities and meets the expectations of the people of Wales now and for generations to come. I therefore ask Members to please support our amendment to this motion. Diolch.

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